So ppl will have to pay to not being tracked and ad free. Thats even more profitable as as the ad bussiness plan
You mean by paying an expensive device like an iphone? yeah, sad but true.
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Apple Will Require Apps to Request Permission to Track Users Starting With Next iOS 14 Beta Version
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You mean by paying an expensive device like an iphone? yeah, sad but true.
I think its a difference between the ability to and required, it's there for 14.4 but the requirement to use it is what's coming in the next beta
🙋🏼♂️ Question: I get that apps sometimes need to track (e.g., fitness, etc.), but why does it have the leave the device?
I find it as one thing for apps to track, and something else to send that data off-device to be collected by the app’s maker.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but allowing apps to track means we’re also allowing the app to send the data it used for the its function off-device, yeah? Why not have a toggle for both:
I find it as one thing for apps to track, and something else to send that data off-device to be collected by the app’s maker.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but allowing apps to track means we’re also allowing the app to send the data it used for the its function off-device, yeah? Why not have a toggle for both:
- Allow app to track?
- Allow Company X to access tracking data?
This can be great but I need someone to explain me something. When it says “other companies’ apps”, it means the app can actually track you across the same company apps? Because THAT’S my problem for installing YouTube app, it can track me across GMaps, Gboard and order Google apps, still in 14.5. This is just an example of course, I don’t use Gboard or any other Gooogle app anymore, but honestly I would use them again if they couldn’t exchange info across Google Apps
Is everyone just figuring out now that your data is the currency that pays for your “free” internet services like gmail, FB, Waze and everything else? Maybe we should all get the choice of using that data or just paying cash? A buck when you open google search, couple bucks a month for Facebook and Google docs? It’s easy for Apple to take the privacy highroad because they don’t monetize advertising. They just take a 30% cut of everything we buy in their App Store which is just a tax we have to pay. Which is better?
I like how Facebook and Mark are made to look evil.
People PROVIDE their information, Facebook doesn't, yet people complain about privacy.
As much as I hope he's right as well, Apple hasn't exactly done a bang up job of keeping up on these types of things with their App Store. This little initiative is going to cause significantly more chaos than anything they've had to monitor in the past.
I think this view is disingenuous.
You know very well that most people have little idea as to the amount of information they are “providing” by using certain services, and even less as to how this information is aggregated and used to manipulate them and others for commercial and political gain, and sometimes nefarious purposes.
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Instead of "Ask App not to Track", change it to "DO NOT TRACK!". I would love to see an icon of Zuckerberg with a Smiley Face if you accept or a tearful Face if you reject FB's wish to track you.
You are right about only one thing. Profit. It is absolutely about money. Fortunately for us, Apple's business model is to sell us products. Google's business model is that we are the product. Apple knows this, and it knows most of its customers knows this. Apple knows we want better privacy so, as the competitor to Google they provide it to us. This way we keep buying their products, and they keep making money; all while keeping us happy.
Google, is the exact opposite in every way.
Also don't forget, Apple has gotten in numerous arguments with the government about Apple not putting in a back door for them. Apple has an agenda yes, but their agenda is not like the rest of the tech companies.
Exactly. We need them to profit from giving us privacy otherwise we would not have it.
Agreed.
I have one wondering question related to your first paragraph, when “Ask App not to track” is selected, it is expected (via honoring it) to not track by other means... however in this case they manage to not have to prompt the tracking permission prompt, I smell a loophole? The sort of “your honor, the user suing us never told us not to track him”
Because in that case, maybe they should always display the prompt at first launch if it uses web services.
FB is evil. They have been caught time and time again not following their own stated policies, and have been fined billions of dollars for lying.
Just because gullible people give information to FB, that doesn't absolve FB of adhering to law and policy.
Hmm I don’t think the “ask app not to track” request is legally binding, but just a rule that Apple imposes. So the worst consequence the app developer faces is being kicked out of the App Store, not court. So this means the request can only cover tracking practices within Apple’s jurisdiction, which is anything that happens on their platform. I don’t know the full picture, but my impression is that companies like Google find ways to track and share customer information via their own platforms, so Apple has no control or say over that.
Honestly, I don’t know if Apple can impose a legally binding, all-encompassing “do not track” request, or if that would need to be imposed by a government organization. Also I’d think it would start to get complicated when defining “tracking”. There are so many apps, even Apple’s, that collect some sort of user information, and some apps are not useful without some level of tracking, and even data-sharing.
we’re paying Apple to:
Provide the SDK,
Learning resources for developers to learn both Swift and iOS/iPadOS/WatchOS/TVOS/macOS.
be stewards for poor apps or falsely portraying one thing vs what an App really does,
Paying developers using a unified payment system and doing so ON -Time based on sales or earnings of services for each app for each developer or team of developers.
managing push updates for those apps vs the developers having to waste time uploading new versions across multiple sites and trying to find rogue sites stealing and given their apps without their permission (S60,UIQ, Windows PocketPC/Smatphone Edition - is plagued with fraud apps causing millions lost and unrecoverable by developers).
sure ...
Oh I’m not paying a dollar for everytime I open Google search. Before data mining: AltaVista, Yahoo, and almost every other search engine was FREE - nothing new accept they made money from companies wanting to list their sites for search, or providing a marketplace online that were all now used to (AOL was famous and ushered this into mainstream back in the day).
the issue many of us iOS users have with data mining without permission or privacy is for example FB & Google collect the data, use it endlessly and continue to sell it hundreds of times over - not just once! And every time it’s new customers of theirs - once they have it there no longer is an need to ask the end person that supplies the data permission!
to me that’s like a hooker working for a pimp for years, like Iceberg Slim ... once you reach your limit of F’s you’re done. Do you get paid NO! But you get to enjoy a few luxuries but for short term (dress, heels, makeup, hair done, etc are NOT unlike Google Docs, Search, Android, etc)
PS: notice I said Android here. Sure you don’t have to pay for the OS but not ALL devices in 5yrs let alone 2yrs get the latest updates at all neither on time of availability - some models due. Like the gamer PC building days of old when something didn’t work and you callled each manufacturer would point to each other to escape warranty claims or warranty suppprt - stating 1 component in your rig conflicted with another (drivers was the easiest excuse). pimps tell working girls “hey I had to pay for the room, drive you here pay for clothes makeup pedicaure nails etc to make you look good. You want to eat right? Get to work!” Basically Google and FB are saying get into your apps and get to work using them. So they can get more relevant data.
sorry but I’m nobodies B* on the internet