What makes you think it's an "either-or" proposition? I think you have a rather idealized perception of Apple, Inc.
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What makes you think it's an "either-or" proposition? I think you have a rather idealized perception of Apple, Inc.
The specifications for the language named Java is licensed under the GNU General Public License, but the executable Java platform is NOT free. This must be licensed from Oracle. Did Google create their own Java based on the specifications, or use Oracle's Java executable?
You can't use the latest Android version, Ice Cream Sandwich, without a licensing agreement from Google. While Google says that Android is 'free software', this is technically only true for older versions, not the most recent versions.
Why spout lies? Apple only sued to protect it's GUI, that it bought the rights to use from Xerox.
Let me make this point clear. I don't know much about the GNU GP License and I've no idea what Oracle was beating at. All right? In the past I've never ever written about Oracle Vs Google because I haven't followed the case at all and I've no specifics whatsoever. My main intention was that even though some of the critical emails existed, Google explicitly hid them as they never existed. Very analogous to the situation above, a lot of confidential info will be missing in the ruling. That's all. Understood?
Understood, but that has nothing to do with this case. All I know is that Oracle is not that stupid. But again, don't discuss the specifics with me. I have no idea about them.
Say what you want, but you've been irresistibly foul mouthing Apple/Apple fans/iOS/OS X on these forums. You've never once left an opportunity to speak good of Android. But lets make some thing clear.
Apple had a case -- they got access to those documents. Just like Samsung got access to iPhone 4 firmware source-code (?) and some of the official documents from Apple for sales in Australia and contracts with Qualcomm. Lets put that rhetoric aside.
Moreover, the cloud concept existed in 1999. Apple successfully implemented it with iBooks. What part of iCloud was ripped off from Google? You mean 'sync'? Sync existed in the form of 'Email', 'Contacts', 'Calendar', 'Preferences', 'Widgets', 3rd party APIs in MobileMe. Moreover, iTools existed long before Google entered these sophisticated cloud services. As for notifications, its been beaten to death, the only part where it appears Apple copied was the drop-down gesture. That drop down gesture has been part of Symbian, WindowsMobile, iOS SBSettings; nothing new. But definitely props to Google for popularising it. Moreover, there aren't 1000s of ways of implementing those gestures. Swipe from bottom was taken by WebOS - left/right are absurd and awkward (EDIT: Just like the ****ed up notification centre in OS X Mountain Lion) and swipe from top existed before Android. Research your stuff before you speak openly about it. Enough said.
Wonder where the iPad came from - AirPlay, Siri, tonnes of other innovations. But I guess for you android folks, more RAM and more Cores are the real innovations. No wonder.
EDIT: I don't wish to sound condescending. Apple is not the only company innovating period. There are companies who spend 2-3 times what Apple spends on R&D. But there's hardly a company out there out-innovating Apple with subject to the products Apple is releasing. NONE.
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Now what great and especially UNIQUE ideas would that be? All the core concepts of the original iPhone had been there long before Jobs announced his new smartphone. Apple just took what others had done before them and combined everything in an own product design. "Standing on the shoulders of giants" would be the appropriate phrase.
They should just stop the pissing contest and try to get back in the lead by innovation instead of litigation. But it seems that without Jobs they can no longer do that.
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I do wonder if (hopefully when) Windows Phone 7 gains steam, if Apple would turn their guns in WP7 licensees?
Given the histody between the two companies I'd guess not but that would be one interesting set of court battles.
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I do wonder if (hopefully when) Windows Phone 7 gains steam, if Apple would turn their guns in WP7 licensees?
Given the histody between the two companies I'd guess not but that would be one interesting set of court battles.
Which it was if I remember. This was a highly glorified issue. Again, I'vent followed the results; so if someone has some update or thinks I'm wrong, please correct me.
Why spread misinformation? Apple only sued Microsoft, and lost, and they didn't buy any rights from Xerox because they didn't need to buy any rights from Xerox.
The results were Google was found to have used the java engine when they had no legal right to do so and then they changed it. Which they had no right to do.
Just look up Microsoft and you will see what Google did.
Well, email from Android group already shows willful infringement. I wonder if that's in the Android hiring contract?
The google willful infringement emails were admitted and released by the court.
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/oracle-and-google-keep-wrangling-over.html
The google willful infringement emails were admitted and released by the court.
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/oracle-and-google-keep-wrangling-over.html
Yes you can.
The Android 4.0.x source code has been available for months now.
http://source.android.com/index.html
Again, I won't comment. People will fry me for it.
I just want to point out the occasion where Google tried to hide some critical emails from the court proceedings which proved wilful exploitation of Java software.
I know. I love continuity. If you prefer something to change either Jailbreak or move away.
I don't want that to sound harsh but it seems iOS isn't for you.
Well unless the lawyers are doing all the innovating, I don't see how it's anything other than business as usual - if anything, it's other companies pressing litigation against Apple that's stifling progress, because it stops ideas getting to consumers - and likewise, yes, but short of a miraculous world-wide consensus to abandon patents, that's never going to change is it.
It's all about pies anyway. Everybody wants a piece of the pie. Apple's innovations are in packaging ideas and technology (making Experiences, as some might say), which is exactly why all of this is kicking off anyway. Beyond all the litigation, it's not about what's inside, it's jealousy that all these other manufacturers never put two-and-two together in the first place. Having an idea for a widget (i.e. a tech patent), isn't the same as putting the idea to good use.
The great iCargo Cult of the 21st Century.
You're right of course. Nothing new in five years. Nothing at all. I mean, other than the App Store, multitasking, iCloud, Copy and Paste, Siri, Gamecentre, iTunes in the Cloud, Safari Reader, folders, notification centre, iMessages, Newstand, Facetime, Airplay, Airplay Mirroring and a ****-ton of other features relating to everything from the camera to how you manage the OS.
Other than all that stuff and literally hundreds of other, smaller features nothing has changed because the main screen still looks fairly similar. Yeah, just like how Windows hasn't changed in two decades cause you still have a mouse pointer and folders on the desktop.
No, it's not.
I'm not sure why the two would be mutually exclusive, it seems the opposite - when someone does innovate, the whole point of IP is to protect those innovations. And that protection can require litigation.
I hear current versions of Android on certain devices aren't as choppy in web browser scrolling; you might be on to something!
Don't worry. Apple will only find out that by going the Litigate route and being awarded access to Information on Android Development History is the following Google Android game plan...
Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does..., Wait to see what Apple does...
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Sort of. The source code may be available, but that doesn't mean that any hardware manufacturer can sell an Android product without permission from Google.
Thanks for that.
KILL HIM ANdroids ^
I liked this part :
"It's certainly remarkable that those two emails show a consistent attitude: the Android team basically says "let's just infringe" whenever an intellectual property issue comes up. If they did this to Oracle, what about the intellectual property of other companies like Apple, Microsoft, eBay and Skyhook?"
That is quite funny...The only reason Android phones outsell iPhones is because there are 20 different flavors of phones.
Apple has had what, 5 phones in the past 5 years. Android powered phones probably topple 100 different models in the past 4 or so years. Of course, when you sell an Android phone for next to nothing or give them away for free, of course people will buy.
You have to look at the overall picture in regards to the smartphones. In the US, the number 1, 2, and 3 best selling smart phone has been Apple.
Even in my company of about 200 people, the majority of people now use the iPhone, compared to only 3 people using the iPhone back in 09. Only a handful of people still use the android. more people have traded their android in due to lack of functionality and ease of use. Makes my job in IT easier to support the iPhone.
So let's get serious shall we? People like have a phone that functions the same way. While there are plenty of people that don't mind change and like newer things (like me), many people, (like my mom and my sister) don't handle change well at all. If they had to go through all the gui changes that Android has done in the past, they would have given up on the cell phone altogether.
And if there is proof that Google stole the idea's to create Android from Apple, then they should be held accountable. If Apple stole technology from Google or motorola, or samsung, then they should be held accountable. No one is above the law.