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Apple Wins Access to Information on Android Development History and Motorola Acquisition Talks
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Hum... why wouldn't he be ? He's the guy behind Android Inc. and Danger Inc. that worked at Apple.
John Rubinstein went to Palm to make WebOS after his stint at Apple.
Microsoft was paying some $$ to Apple for a number of years not sure if they still are.
Heh and apple was paying some money to apple too...
Apple invited Eric to be on Apple BOD after Google acquired Android.
Only going case that is falling apart for oracle left and right.
Yes they can sell Android without Google's permission just they can not put in any of the Google apps or have access to the Android market place. Neither of those are part Android and those do require license from Google. They are not open source.
Read up on the cases. It has nothing to do with Apple winning the GUI cases (the only part they won was over a patent/trademark for the "Trash Bin").
And to use the Android trademark. They don't get to use that without approval. Google's use rules makes the open source license for Android somewhat theoretical.
FWIW, many of the handset makers are now paying license fees to Microsoft for the use of Android based on a patent lawsuit settlement.
Excuse me, but what you are saying is not going to happen. This is a civil court case. If you hide information in a civil court case, the judge will assume that whatever you were hiding was speaking against you, and make his or her decisions accordingly. Apart from that, hiding evidence is the kind of behavior that gets lawyers disbarred and people jailed.
Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit against Microsoft was dismissed. The reasons are complicated and probably don't need to be discussed here, but I don't believe Apple ever won any part of that challenge.
No, they did not.
Great artists steal.
That is, great artists steal ideas. They don't steal designs. Maybe Samsung will hire great artists one day, so far they haven't.
Interesting theory. So your boss would like it if I break into your home and steal your stuff, because that will make you work harder? If Apple wins then Android has to start competing by being innovative and not by copying.
Uhm, iPad, Macbook Air, Apple TV...shall I continue?
Amazing, everyone made crappy netbooks and then Apple comes out with the Macbook Air, then suddenly there are "ultra-books" on the market.
Hey whatever happened to those Chromebooks? They must be selling like hotcakes by now! What? Nobody wants one other than a 10 penny geek? THAT'S what google makes when it does it's own thing.
The iPod was released and everyone said it was crap, they all tried their own take on it and they got crushed. Zune anyone? iRiver? Where are they now? Now the only way to catch up is to imitate and steal. Why not hire good people and work internally on something original. AT LEAST Microsloth did that.
Get your facts straight please!
Minor quibble:
Android was clearly competing with the Windows Mobile touch and non-touch based versions... not the Blackberry, which had a lock on the enterprise and was of little or no interest to Google's business model.
The original Android non-touch version dev phone even looked like a version of the Motorola Q. I think there's no doubt they were working on a touch version as well, just as their developers have said. Probably a bit WinMo-like, though.
Other than that, carry on
They certainly changed how mass consumers thought. (Of course, touch friendly UIs had existed on mobile vertical apps long before Apple came along, and there was much to learn from those, such as button size and placement.)
Apple popularized touch elements that others invented, such as pinch zoom and flick scrolling. They also incorporated elements (bounce back, scroll direction lock) that had been used elsewhere, and got patents on them for their implementation. And they patented a few new things like their particular method for rejecting false touches and determining a touch point.
Most importantly, Apple was the first to develop _and_ sell a very touch friendly UI. They deserve all the credit in the world for that. It certainly validated all the work that developers in my field (desktop and mobile touch UIs) had done for decades before Apple came along.
The movement towards such a UI was obvious to us at the time. I've written many times previously about the multi-touch and capacitive prototype phones that were being shown all throughout 2006. The iPhone team no doubt got some ideas of what to do (or not to do) from those, and so would've the Android team.
However, outside of Apple, the movement towards a product was very slow. Apple, on the other hand, clearly felt the need to move quickly and demo one before anyone else.
That's why Jobs rushed to publicly display the iPhone one week before the 2007 Mobile World Congress. He didn't want it to be second place. As it turned out, Apple was ahead of everyone else by far, and could've waited the few extra months it took to finish their design for sale, before revealing it.
The upshot is, I agree that Apple had a huge influence, because they popularized certain elements over others. Now, years later, they themselves are being influenced by others. So it goes always with products.
Cheers Apple!
In law if you do not protect your assets, someone can take them as in the case of the land grab of some neighbors to a friend of mine.
They asked if they could put a trampoline on his property, they did, eventually a year goes by, they build a shed on his property, a year goes by, they began digging a pool, and a tree is growing thru the old trampoline. His wife said you need to put a stop to this.
Long story short the neighbor owns that property now. If you do not protect your assets, people will steal them.
In law if you do not protect your assets, someone can take them as in the case of the land grab of some neighbors to a friend of mine.
They asked if they could put a trampoline on his property, they did, eventually a year goes by, they build a shed on his property, a year goes by, they began digging a pool, and a tree is growing thru the old trampoline. His wife said you need to put a stop to this.
Long story short the neighbor owns that property now. If you do not protect your assets, people will steal them.
And so Google did. I'm not making this up btw.
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Minor quibble:
Android was clearly competing with the Windows Mobile touch and non-touch based versions... not the Blackberry, which had a lock on the enterprise and was of little or no interest to Google's business model.
The original Android non-touch version dev phone even looked like a version of the Motorola Q. I think there's no doubt they were working on a touch version as well, just as their developers have said. Probably a bit WinMo-like, though.
Other than that, carry on
They certainly changed how mass consumers thought. (Of course, touch friendly UIs had existed on mobile vertical apps long before Apple came along, and there was much to learn from those, such as button size and placement.)
Apple popularized touch elements that others invented, such as pinch zoom and flick scrolling. They also incorporated elements (bounce back, scroll direction lock) that had been used elsewhere, and got patents on them for their implementation. And they patented a few new things like their particular method for rejecting false touches and determining a touch point.
Most importantly, Apple was the first to develop _and_ sell a very touch friendly UI. They deserve all the credit in the world for that. It certainly validated all the work that developers in my field (desktop and mobile touch UIs) had done for decades before Apple came along.
The movement towards such a UI was obvious to us at the time. I've written many times previously about the multi-touch and capacitive prototype phones that were being shown all throughout 2006. The iPhone team no doubt got some ideas of what to do (or not to do) from those, and so would've the Android team.
However, outside of Apple, the movement towards a product was very slow. Apple, on the other hand, clearly felt the need to move quickly and demo one before anyone else.
That's why Jobs rushed to publicly display the iPhone one week before the 2007 Mobile World Congress. He didn't want it to be second place. As it turned out, Apple was ahead of everyone else by far, and could've waited the few extra months it took to finish their design for sale, before revealing it.
The upshot is, I agree that Apple had a huge influence, because they popularized certain elements over others. Now, years later, they themselves are being influenced by others. So it goes always with products.
You'll never give credit to Apple. We get it.
READ!? Why? I can just make things up and believe what I want regardless of the facts!
Read! . . . . PFFF!
Good thing HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony, and Acer all do.
Samsung does have a nice looking Galaxy Nexus with a curved body. That is somewhat innovative.
We will give Apple credit where credit is due. It's not like we are saying Apple hasn't done anything whatsoever but they didn't invent the smartphone, or a phone with a touch screen, or a smartphone with a touchscreen that backed-up wirelessly, etc. etc.
Only if it actually happened. I have a vague recollection of the email he is referring to and iirc they were released as part of the court case. If they weren't how do we know about them?
Be somewhat more specific in your claims. Google couldn't stop Amazon making the Kindle Fire or stop random Chinese companies making incredibly cheap and presumably crap Android tablets. What makes you think random hardware manufactures can not make Android products? Preferably post a link to something that backs you up.
If there weren't any patents (copyrights,trademarks) then companies (like Apple) wouldn't be able to stay in business and that would hurt consumers! Can't make any money to stay in business if the next person just rips off your ideas. Then there would be no motivation to innovate and no competition!
Exactly!
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Oracle's case is going down in flames.
4 of the 6 patents they are asserting have just been rejected by the USPTO upon reexamination on March 2.
They have another hearing on March 7. This will be Oracle's third attempt at coming up with a value for the patents in dispute.
The person writing the report is not exactly on Judge Alsup's good side right now as he has now failed to follow his instructions twice already.
Third times a charm I guess.
Hit up Groklaw for the details.
Apple has innovated in a lot of areas since the original iOS conceptual work, but the UI is not one of them. The biggest change has been notifications, and that was more or less a feature steal from Android (hell, they hired the guy who designed Android notifications). And a half-baked one at that. Their implementation of multitasking, while a great engineering feature behind-the-scenes, is not very efficient for users. Apple seems to be quite hesitant to use gestures to control system-level aspects like app switching. The notification pull-down gesture is about the only one they've added for the iPhone, and honestly I never use it. (Maybe if they made Notification Center more like Dashboard) I'd personally love an Exposé-like gesture on the iPhone -- the double-tap on Home button, then swipe swipe swipe to find the app I want is annoying and inefficient.
Perhaps Apple thinks their UI is already perfect. It's certainly usable. But there's a lot of room left to innovate.