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Why would you trust a report done by Apple? They would have a conflict of interest doing their own report. However the planning authority has responsibility for this and they approved it. Then (some) locals objected - as is their right. You are blaming this on Apple. This isn't about Apple, this is Ireland wacky planning process: https://www.irishtimes.com/business...g-delay-a-black-hole-of-bureaucracy-1.3253839

Edit: More details: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1012/911954-apple-athenry/
Edit2: Even more details: http://www.thejournal.ie/apple-data-centre-athery-explained-2-3597680-Sep2017/

Edit3: Ridiculous levels of details: https://news.vice.com/story/one-man-in-a-tiny-irish-town-could-derail-apples-plans-for-europe

Last one tells you more whats going on on the ground and about the actual complainaints

Edit4: And the main objector has form: http://www.independent.ie/business/apple-site-objector-may-stall-amazons-1bn-plan-35636345.html



Basically this is mostly trolling of the Irish planning system which you can see if you read the above links
Why would you trust a report done by Apple? They would have a conflict of interest doing their own report. However the planning authority has responsibility for this and they approved it. Then (some) locals objected - as is their right. You are blaming this on Apple. This isn't about Apple, this is Ireland wacky planning process: https://www.irishtimes.com/business...g-delay-a-black-hole-of-bureaucracy-1.3253839

Edit: More details: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1012/911954-apple-athenry/
Edit2: Even more details: http://www.thejournal.ie/apple-data-centre-athery-explained-2-3597680-Sep2017/

Edit3: Ridiculous levels of details: https://news.vice.com/story/one-man-in-a-tiny-irish-town-could-derail-apples-plans-for-europe

Last one tells you more whats going on on the ground and about the actual complainaints

Edit4: And the main objector has form: http://www.independent.ie/business/apple-site-objector-may-stall-amazons-1bn-plan-35636345.html



Basically this is mostly trolling of the Irish planning system which you can see if you read the above links
Totally correct, especially your last paragraph.

Current legislation is now being reviewed to reduce spurious and unreasonable objections.

To be honest, we all suspect that Apple may have moved on due to the delays.
 
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Sad day.

But on the other hand, we are talking about a country that had sold its soul to big corporations and did it under the table even though everybody knew about it.
 
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So this is over "a few hundred meters" of forest? Really?

We know that Americans don't care for the environment and the planet. It's one of the reasons why the world is in such a horrible state - and why it''s getting worse every day. You just can't be bothered with taking responsibility.
 
1%? Citation please.

According to NPR, who sourced nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office data, the effective corporate tax rate in the USA is 29% for corporate income (the third highest in the world) and it is 18.6% for corporate investments (the fourth highest in the world):

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Every other article I found is also in those general ranges.

I'm taking a guess here, which is that the "1%" is akin to the tax rate if it had been based on gross income (the basis for personal taxes in the US), rather than the rate based on net profits (the basis for business taxes in the US).

If a company has gross revenues of $100,000 and makes a 20% pre-tax profit ($20,000), a 29% tax on that profit adds up to $5,800 (5.8% of course, not 1%). If an individual has gross income of $100,000 and paid just $5,800 in income taxes... I think that's the contrast that's being drawn.
 
Isn't this about that forest which has to be cut while if Apple build this server farm just a few hundred meters further down 'the road' it won't need to be cut, if so then:

This is a sad day.

Then Apple should have conducted a study if there is really a potential environmental issue. If the judge only makes decisions then either Apple used it to influence the favor for them.

So this is over "a few hundred meters" of forest? Really?

Sad day.

But on the other hand, we are talking about a country that had sold its soul to big corporations and did it under the table even though everybody knew about it.

We know that Americans don't care for the environment and the planet. It's one of the reasons why the world is in such a horrible state - and why it''s getting worse every day. You just can't be bothered with taking responsibility.

If you all read the links I posted instead of just giving uninformed opinions you will see its not about the forest and its not even about Apple. The main objector is some kind of environmental engineer complaining that the energy that will power the plant is unlikely to be from green energy. He has also made a similar complaint about an Amazon facility a few hundred miles away. So this is not about the forest, not even about Apple. Its about one guy trying to make a point / trolling - depending on your point of view. Of the other 2 complainants, 1 is trolling because his plan for a data centre in another part of the country got rejected, the thrid happens to live by the proposed site and is probabyl the only genuine complainant
 
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Now the plant is in EU territory, EU governments will have easy access to peoples data.

Now the plant is in EU territory the US government will not have easy access to peoples data.

/conspiracytheory
 
If you all read the links I posted instead of just giving uninformed opinions you will see its not about the forest and its not even about Apple. The main objector is some kind of environmental engineer complaining that the energy that will power the plant is unlikely to be from green energy. He has also made a similar complaint about an Amazon facility a few hundred miles away. So this is not about the forest, not even about Apple. Its about one guy trying to make a point / trolling - depending on your point of view. Of the other 2 complainants, 1 is trolling because his plan for a data centre in another part of the country got rejected, the thrid happens to live by the proposed site and is probabyl the only genuine complainant


In one of these links he also said:

Plus, he just didn’t think the site in Derrydonnell Wood was suitable. There were better sites in County Galway already zoned for this type of thing. He thought Apple should choose one of those instead.

I still think it's a sad day, why not just move the plant a few hundred meters so Apple doesn't have to cut those trees, I just can't comprehend.
 
If you all read the links I posted instead of just giving uninformed opinions you will see its not about the forest and its not even about Apple.

The "sad day" opinion is not about any forest but about people's consciousness being bought at a (cheap) price (again). It might sound uninformed to you but I see where are you coming from. Ireland has been doing this for too long.
 
I'm sure you'll be able to provide evidence for these claims. I see that @ActionableMango has already shown the 1% claim to be wanting.

Hire yourself a good the best tax accountant. You'd be surprised at how much taxes you won't be paying. Anything can be a deduction if you're brave enough:p:D... and have the help of someone who knows every loophole in the tax code. Man, I'm only mid-tier bean counter and even I can knock off a few thousand on my taxes. Those who don't know/take any deductions pay full tax percentage.
 
The "sad day" opinion is not about any forest but about people's consciousness being bought at a (cheap) price (again). It might sound uninformed to you but I see where are you coming from. Ireland has been doing this for too long.

Doing what ?!?!
 
You are ignoring the massive amount of wealth that a company like Apple is adding to the economy in a place like Wisconsin just from the thousands of well paying jobs. I won't take the space to explain it all, but you can look it up. The multiplier effect from the salaries of these employees in Wisconsin, for example, will be in the billions for the state. And that's just the ecumenic benefits. I know you wouldn't ignore the human side of thousands of people getting good paying jobs.

I certainly wouldn't ignore possible benefits, but as I originally mentioned oftentimes the situation is more nuanced.

I would examine if the jobs are indeed 'good paying'? Undoubtedly some are but not all. Pay for most Apple retail employees in the UK is not generous. Are employees from the area or have they been bussed in from elsewhere because the skills are not available locally? Are high wages for a few pushing up house prices for the remainder? Are high wages changing the make up of local businesses because tastes have gone upmarket, therefore pricing out other people not riding the wave? I mention this last point particularly because my own local area is currently experiencing gentrification. I'm starting to have difficulty in affording a meal out or a trip to the pub, and even one of my local supermarkets has pivoted towards posh food (it's fun to browse but I can't afford to shop there). These things have real knock on effects for real people, it's not always sweetness and light.
 
No, move the plant a few hundred meters away from the forest.

Or you know, if people are in that much of a tizzy, they can plant another few hundred meters of forest elsewhere. Gotta love renewable resources.
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We know that Americans don't care for the environment and the planet. It's one of the reasons why the world is in such a horrible state - and why it''s getting worse every day. You just can't be bothered with taking responsibility.

Okay Germany if we are going to stereotype maybe you should take some responsibilities for things in the world. Probably should get off your high horse.
 
Or you know, if people are in that much of a tizzy, they can plant another few hundred meters of forest elsewhere. Gotta love renewable resources.

That's just silly.


Okay Germany if we are going to stereotype maybe you should take some responsibilities for things in the world. Probably should get off your high horse.

There's some truth to it, what about the Paris agreement, oh yeah politics you might say, it's not all politics cause lots of Americans agree with that moron, not generalising, just facts.
 
We know that Americans don't care for the environment and the planet. It's one of the reasons why the world is in such a horrible state - and why it''s getting worse every day. You just can't be bothered with taking responsibility.

America is a leader in many environmental causes both at home and abroad. We simply won't pay for Europe's mess and boondoggle anymore. Case in point, the Netherlands. They start restricting petrol cars, then realize they have to build more coal-fire plants to supply the electricity! HAHA! That's 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

The Paris accord was not about Global Warming. Even many of its supporters admitted it wouldn't have reduced any carbon emissions at all. The only thing it did succeed in attempting is shifting the monetary burden to the US taxpayers.
And we simply said no to paying a bill we do not owe. America is largely energy independent. Making us pay for your lack of energy independence is simply not something America will do. President Obama would have paid the bill for sure, but that's water under the bridge, and that tide isn't coming back You can blame America all you want, but real scientists know that it's China and Russia that are doing virtually nothing about the environment, along with India.

Living in the northeast United States, I know that we have some of the strictest environmental laws in our country and stricter than most foreign nations.
 
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America is a leader in many environmental causes both at home and abroad. We simply won't pay for Europe's mess and boondoggle anymore. Case in point, the Netherlands. They start restricting petrol cars, then realize they have to build more coal-fire plants to supply the electricity! HAHA! That's 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

The Paris accord was not about Global Warming. Even many of its supporters admitted it wouldn't have reduced any carbon emissions at all. The only thing it did succeed in attempting is shifting the monetary burden to the US taxpayers.
And we simply said no to paying a bill we do not owe. America is largely energy independent. Making us pay for your lack of energy independence is simply not something America will do. President Obama would have paid the bill for sure, but that's water under the bridge, and that tide isn't coming back You can blame America all you want, but real scientists know that it's China and Russia that are doing virtually nothing about the environment, along with India.

Living in the northeast United States, I know that we have some of the strictest environmental laws in our country and stricter than most foreign nations.

Erm, you should read the following:

NEW DUTCH GOVERNMENT'S PLANS FOR THE COMING YEARS

SUSTAINABILITY
The government wants to make an agreement with Europe for a 55 percent emission reduction by 2030

A national climate agreement will ensure that in the Netherlands emissions will be reduced by 49 percent by 2030

The government is making around 4 billion euros available for the transition to cleaner energy

Taxes on energy will become greener

The government will close at least one coal plant in its term, and the rest will close by 2030

More plots will be established for offshore wind farms

New homes will no longer be connected to the gas line.
 

In America, we consider Natural Gas as CLEAN ENERGY! HAHA!

This is an opinion that would never change in America. We have a natural abundance of natural gas and usage will only increase in America.

I have yet to read a successful story of a wind farm replacing a coal fired plant. You can fantasize, but reality will close in real quick. I already read about the Netherland's energy shortage to power electric cars. You had an immediate shortage for which there is no immediate answer.

Unlike America, you don't even have enough land/sea for wind farms to replace carbon based fuels.

And finally, in America, petrol is just over $2/gallon and dropping. We have a surplus that we are shipping to countries like yours! This is why in a nutshell why we are out of the Paris agreement. We have decided to sell you our product instead of paying you to not use it.
 
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In America, we consider Natural Gas as CLEAN ENERGY! HAHA!

This is an opinion that would never change in America. We have a natural abundance of natural gas and usage will only increase in America.

I have yet to read a successful story of a wind farm replacing a coal fired plant. You can fantasize, but reality will close in real quick. I already read about the Netherland's energy shortage to power electric cars. You had an immediate shortage for which there is no immediate answer.

Unlike America, you don't even have enough land/sea for wind farms to replace carbon based fuels.

And finally, in America, petrol is just over $2/gallon and dropping. We have a surplus that we are shipping to countries like yours! This is why in a nutshell why we are out of the Paris agreement. We have decided to sell you our product instead of paying you to not use it.

How convenient you not to include my whole post, and not react to the bolded quote part, you said they are opening a coal plant, I gave you a link that says all of them will be closed by 2030.
We import clean energy and are building more and more windfarms.
About natural gas, I am a bit confused as well, we have plenty of that stuff here, considered to be a fairly clean carbon fuel, but, I think the government and the citizens want and need to become much cleaner.

If you care about your children (if you have them) or other children you should do more about using less carbon fuels instead of choosing a dangerous moron president.
 
How convenient you not to include my whole post, and not react to the bolded quote part, you said they are opening a coal plant, I gave you a link that says all of them will be closed by 2030.
We import clean energy and are building more and more windfarms.
About natural gas, I am a bit confused as well, we have plenty of that stuff here, considered to be a fairly clean carbon fuel, but, I think the government and the citizens want and need to become much cleaner.

If you care about your children (if you have them) or other children you should do more about using less carbon fuels instead of choosing a dangerous moron president.

I'm finding this amusing. I simply clicked reply to the entire post. If anyone did anything, go after Macrumors! Haha!

I find that climate change fanatics are also prone to conspiracy theories. You just proved my point there. :D
 
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I'm finding this amusing. I simply clicked reply to the entire post. If anyone did anything, go after Macrumors! Haha!

Yes, you're right, but you still avoided the point I made (how convenient again), there are no new coal power plants built, in fact they all will be closed by 2030

I find that climate change fanatics are also prone to conspiracy theories. You just proved my point there. :D

Lets not call names here, I have an opinion and so do you.
 
Yes, you're right, but you still avoided the point I made (how convenient again), there are no new coal power plants built, in fact they all will be closed by 2030



Lets not call names here, I have an opinion and so do you.

You didn't prove anything nor has what you said happened, at least not yet. I don't believe you will have enough energy. That is all based on the Paris agreement and we just pulled the rug out from under all your plans. I don't think what you say will happen in the Netherlands. You'll have to buy energy from elsewhere or not close the coal fired plant.

Mark your calendar now since you've so far not proved any of your point, only your country's plans, which you do not have the capability to do at this point in time. Proving people wrong is not an insult. I'm sorry you take it that way.
 
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I already read about the Netherland's energy shortage to power electric cars. You had an immediate shortage for which there is no immediate answer.

That's twice you have said that. What is your source for this?
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You didn't prove anything nor has what you said happened, at least not yet. I don't believe you will have enough energy. That is all based on the Paris agreement and we just pulled the rug out from under all your plans. I don't think what you say will happen in the Netherlands. You'll have to buy energy from elsewhere or not close the coal fired plant.

Mark your calendar now since you've so far not proved any of your point, only your country's plans, which you do not have the capability to do at this point in time. Proving people wrong is not an insult. I'm sorry you take it that way.

Your reasoning really doesn't stack up there.

You say 'Proving people wrong is not an insult. I'm sorry you take it that way'. Implying that you are in the right, but then spend the rest of your post explaining that the person you're replying to can't prove their point because you don't think it will happen and it's in the future. Well, by that logic neither can you.
 
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