Apple Wins Approval for $1 Billion Data Center in Ireland

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

That's twice you have said that. What is your source for this?
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Your reasoning really doesn't stack up there.

You say 'Proving people wrong is not an insult. I'm sorry you take it that way'. Implying that you are in the right, but then spend the rest of your post explaining that the person you're replying to can't prove their point because you don't think it will happen and it's in the future. Well, by that logic neither can you.

I think the Washington Post is a better source than the Brits or other European rags.

America is energy independent. Europe is not. You already pay 3X for transportation compared to us.

Soon it will be 5X, and all the while, carbon gasses will still increase everywhere else in the world except possibly America.

 

[steve62388]

I think the Washington Post is a better source than the Brits or other European rags.

So link your source.

I want to know where it says this:

They start restricting petrol cars, then realize they have to build more coal-fire plants to supply the electricity!

I already read about the Netherland's energy shortage to power electric cars. You had an immediate shortage for which there is no immediate answer.

 

[ksnell]

That's just silly.




There's some truth to it, what about the Paris agreement, oh yeah politics you might say, it's not all politics cause lots of Americans agree with that moron, not generalising, just facts.

Not silly - care to add any facts as to why it is silly? Are carbon offsets silly or should we all stop taking planes to get where we are going? The environment is going to be effected merely by humans existing.

The Paris Agreement was found to be extremely lopsided and not effectively doing anything for the environment. It had the US contributing the majority of the money with almost no other solid commitments from other countries. Here is some supporting information: http://www.heritage.org/environment...-trump-was-right-pull-out-the-paris-agreement

I am all for protecting the environment and working with other countries to do this, but everyone has to contribute and the work must be factually based.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

So link your source.

I want to know where it says this:

I really don't have anything to prove. I thought it was common knowledge that America was largely energy independent and Europe scrambling for options with dwindling resources and high goals they want other people to pay for.

If you didn't know that America was largely energy independent, then you could never understand why we dropped out of the Paris accord and you're paying 5X the money to drive anywhere. Sorry.

 

[steve62388]

I really don't have anything to prove.

Right. So I see that you're avoiding my question, asking you to backup your statement that the increase of electric cars in the Netherlands has led to an energy shortage that cannot be immediately resolved.

You see, I think I know the article you read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...18f8e87a2fc_story.html?utm_term=.4de0228e504f
Which doesn't say what you claim at all, it says that electric cars are not as good for the environment as consumers might think if the electricity is produced by dirty generation.

The Netherlands has had an electricity surplus: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._-_Coal_fired_power_generation_in_Germany.pdf

Depending on market conditions they import electricity if it's cheaper to do so https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_the_Netherlands

I'm willing to back up my post with sources. I could be wrong but without you willing to back up yours I'm going to assume you're full of it.

 

[Bug-Creator]

The problem with electric cars isn't that there ain't enough (clean) power, it is with the grid getting overloaded when everybody plugs them in after coming home from work.

 

[justperry]

Not silly - care to add any facts as to why it is silly? Are carbon offsets silly or should we all stop taking planes to get where we are going? The environment is going to be effected merely by humans existing.

The Paris Agreement was found to be extremely lopsided and not effectively doing anything for the environment. It had the US contributing the majority of the money with almost no other solid commitments from other countries. Here is some supporting information: http://www.heritage.org/environment...-trump-was-right-pull-out-the-paris-agreement

I am all for protecting the environment and working with other countries to do this, but everyone has to contribute and the work must be factually based.

Maybe you should just read your comment and my reply again, I will add it here:

Or you know, if people are in that much of a tizzy, they can plant another few hundred meters of forest elsewhere. Gotta love renewable resources.

and I replied with:

That's just silly.

It's silly cause it would be easy to move the plant a few hundred meters down the road.

 

[extrachrispy]

If you care about your children (if you have them) or other children you should do more about using less carbon fuels instead of choosing a dangerous moron president.

The dangerous moron wrote a book blaming everyone but herself for her loss. Fortunately for us, we didn't choose her.
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The problem with electric cars isn't that there ain't enough (clean) power, it is with the grid getting overloaded when everybody plugs them in after coming home from work.

It's both, actually. The enviros here in the U.S. successfully shut down expansion of nuclear power generation (the single least carbon-emitting, reliable energy generation there is, though it does have other problems, notably dealing with waste and dealing with the potential poison that results from uranium mining). Wind and solar cannot and do not provide enough reliable baseline capacity (solar doesn't work at night and cannot come anywhere near nameplate capacity either at higher latitudes or in locales that experience a lot of cloudy weather, and wind only works when the wind is blowing). Then there are the externalities that everyone ignores: a windmill requires quite a lot of energy to produce, which few consider against its output during its service lifetime, and solar cell production is a toxic mess that we conveniently ignore so long as it happens in China[1]. There's hydro, but that gets shot down because it interferes with fish swimming upstream, and then there's the other real problem of destroying property that gets flooded by the reservoir used to run the turbines. Molten salt shows promise, and I'd like to see how it can scale out.

[1] http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/...energy/environmental-impacts-solar-power.html

 

[ksnell]

Maybe you should just read your comment and my reply again, I will add it here:



and I replied with:

So now you are a civil engineer that can build data centers? You act like Apple, of all companies, are intentionally trying to destroy the environment. If it was as simple as moving the building a few hundred meters and it would have a profoundly positive effect on the environment, don't you think they would have done it?

You are talking about the company that spends God knows how much on green materials for products, packaging, and 100% renewable energy - but yet they have a vendetta out against the Irish countryside?

Get ahold of yourself.

 

[noisycats]

Oh and it's going to fall from a cliff oh so quickly. And it also rats out why Bono was so cozy with W. who was so clueless to all these Irish tax breaks nor did he do anything. Trump is going to force Apple to move all the money back one way or another. Mark this on a calendar that I said it.

Hypocrisy abounds in the music and movie industry. All I need to do is mention Harvey Weinstein and that is clear.

This should be switched to a political thread btw.

Curious as to how trump is going to ‘force’ repatriation of non US earned money? Is this just an opinion?

 

[justperry]

The dangerous moron wrote a book blaming everyone but herself for her loss. Fortunately for us, we didn't choose her.

Blame your stupid 2 party system for this, in a real democracy there are multiple parties instead of just two, there is really no choice and it showed last time.

You are talking about the company that spends God knows how much on green materials for products, packaging, and 100% renewable energy - but yet they have a vendetta out against the Irish countryside?

Get ahold of yourself.

Yet it's too difficult for environment friendly Apple to move the plant.

 

[ksnell]

Blame your stupid 2 party system for this, in a real democracy there are multiple parties instead of just two, there is really no choice and it showed last time.





Yet it's too difficult for environment friendly Apple to move the plant.

And which country are you proposing has better implemented democracy in this world?
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Curious as to how trump is going to ‘force’ repatriation of non US earned money? Is this an just an opinion?

I think more appropriately we can say if the Democrats (or Republicans) do not obstruct President Trump's repatriation plan, it would not make sense for Apple to do anything but repatriate those funds sitting in Europe.

 

[justperry]

And which country are you proposing has better implemented democracy in this world?

Definitely not USA.

 

[M.PaulCezanne]

I believe it was Ben Franklin who said, "Nothing's certain in life but death and taxes - unless you're Apple and Ireland's open for business."