Apple Wins Injunction Barring U.S. Sales of Samsung Galaxy Nexus Phone

[definitive]

apple needs to stop bullying other companies, and start producing better products. ever since iphone 4 was released, they've done very little to advance it. while everyone is implementing new technology and bigger screens, we're stuck with the same design that has been released in 2007.

 

[thewap]

Thanks for the clarification.

Now. Explain to me how this example can be translated in the software world, and give me an example of something that was copied by Android from iOS.

same script and coding..

 

[djphat2000]

Incorrect Android is superior to ios, and Windows 7 is light years ahead of OS X. OS X is still slow compared to Windows. Its getting better but its still slow.

Superior how? This is opinion, not fact
Light years ahead how? This is opinion, not fact
Slow how? This is opinion, not fact.
Getting better, This is fact all the time!

 

[tombelton]

You can prevent anyone from using it without license or your permission. That is why you license someone to use your copyright materials...if you wish, and can sue them if they use your materials without permission.

Royalties you would collect on a contractual agreement between you and the publisher/record/label Co based on sales and use of your copyrighted materials.

Actually you are incorrect and the original poster is right. It is legal to re-record a song and exploit without paying a license fee. You only need to inform the owner of the musical work IP if you change it before exploiting it. Don't get sound recording rights and musical work rights mixed up.

 

[Bezetos]

same script and coding..

Excuse me? Are you saying they've copied iOS code and used it in Android? Please elaborate.

 

[tombelton]

Same difference here whether music is published or performed copy versions of copyright material intellectual or commercial must be licensed.

Plain incorrect, and your language suggests you don't actually know what you're talking about.

 

[Defactomonkey]

This is great news for Samsung. If they win the appeal then this will be their most profitable product to date

 

[louiek]

I'll ask you too for examples, if I may.

Tiles. Too easy. Looked NOTHING like iOS. also it was the style of use. This kid was using it as a social media hub. And you know what, it really seemed to work well. I was VERY impressed.

 

[djphat2000]

apple needs to stop bullying other companies, and start producing better products. ever since iphone 4 was released, they've done very little to advance it. while everyone is implementing new technology and bigger screens, we're stuck with the same design that has been released in 2007.

Then don't buy Apples product. Its pretty simple. You should always complain with your vote. In this case your money. You don't like it, buy something else that makes you happy. When enough people start thinking like you do, Apple will make something that entices you to make your next purchase and iPhone.

Apple is not bullying anyone. They are protecting there investments. They got their patents, and they have every right to defend it where ever they see a legal means to do so. Same as any other company. Again, we can debate a better way for patents to work, or be granted, etc. But, the rules are what they are right now. Can't fault any company for defending what it believes is strait up coping of what they created and patented first.

Your opinions on this don't matter, only laws and facts.

 

[Bezetos]

Tiles. Too easy. Looked NOTHING like iOS. also it was the style of use. This kid was using it as a social media hub. And you know what, it really seemed to work well. I was VERY impressed.

Sorry, my bad, I meant examples of what Google has done that was a literal copy of what Apple has done in their OS.

 

[maflynn]

I don't see the resemblance and to be honest, I was kicking around the idea of buying one. I guess its still available on the site but not for long I suppose.

 

[tombelton]

I was about to reply to this too: interestingly, in the US it is true that you can't prevent someone from making and releasing a cover, although this is a bizarre anomaly that does not exist anywhere else in the world, where copyright in composition is just as valid as in anything else.

Actually this is exactly the same in Europe, it's not just the US.

 

[chabig]

One day, what comes around goes around. A modern smartphone involves over 200,000 patents, and you would be naive to believe Apple doesn't infringe any one of them.

And you would be naive to believe that Apple won't license them.

 

[thewap]

Actually you are incorrect and the original poster is right. It is legal to re-record a song and exploit without paying a license fee. You only need to inform the owner of the musical work IP if you change it before exploiting it. Don't get sound recording rights and musical work rights mixed up.

interesting. Will have to read up on that. Applying film and print rights logic is my mistake.

So in other words performance of an other's intellectual property only needs approval if you change the music's format, so how does the royalty system work in this scenario?

 

[DakotaGuy]

Then don't buy Apples product. Its pretty simple. You should always complain with your vote. In this case your money. You don't like it, buy something else that makes you happy.

Apple's product could possibly be the only remaining one left to purchase in a few years if they litigate everyone else out of the business. I believe that is the point they want to get to. You want a smart phone? You buy an iPhone. Period. 100% market share and no one else allowed to make any sort of touchscreen device. Even though it would dramatically slow innovation and drive up iPhone prices like crazy I do believe there are a lot of Apple fans that would cheer that outcome.

 

[Lennholm]

I really have to agree with this. Saw whatever the windows mobile OS is in the wild for the first time on the bus the other day sitting behind this kid. It looked ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like iOS. It can be done, google chooses not to do it.

Why are people always focusing on the superficial similarities (or disimilarities)? Windows Phone has bigger, animated icons on its home screen. Wow, that's so different. If anything, Android is less similar since it doesn't necessarily even have icons on it's home screen but widgets etc. But there's a lot more to an OS than what you actually "see".

 

[hugo7]

Will it ever come to pass

As much as I still love my iPhone 4 and understand, somewhat, Apple needing to defend its intellectual property, this makes me a little sad.

 

[louiek]

Sorry, my bad, I meant examples of what Google has done that was a literal copy of what Apple has done in their OS.

My bad too. I wasn't implying google chose to copy, I'm just sick of the idiots who claim there is only one way of doing a mobile OS because the right way to do things is so obvious. Microsoft has found another way, and if a company as tied to legacy systems like Microsoft can innovate, then why the f can't google?

 

[DakotaGuy]

If anything, Android is less similar since it doesn't necessarily even have icons on it's home screen but widgets etc. But there's a lot more to an OS than what you actually "see".

Android has icons on it's home screen only if you want them. Otherwise everything is in an app drawer.

Just wait iOS7 will have widgets and Apple will tell the world they are magical sort of like their new notification system or OTA updates.

 

[djphat2000]

Sorry, my bad, I meant examples of what Google has done that was a literal copy of what Apple has done in their OS.

I'm going to take a stab at this and say "virtually everything"?
Not saying I "know" for sure on this. But, before the iPhone. The best thing you could have that was close to it, was what Palm Treo? Or some Nokia Symbian OS? I'm guessing, as again I could be wrong. But, in any event. I don't remember Google having any kind of OS before the droid. There "droid" was supposed to be for BlackBerries next OS for their phone was it not?
Which wasn't really that close to what iOS was and currently is.

From what I remember (help me if I am wrong):
1) Internet sucked on every phone till iPhone
2) Mail was great on blackberry's
3) Contacts were fine on other phones too
4) Not really any apps for phones in the manner it is today since iPhone
5) Touch screens sucked (not as good sorry!) as iPhone's screen
6) Ecosystems (phones to PC/Mac sync, share, etc) sucked before iPhone
7) PDA's before iPhone. iPhones gave you a computer in your pocket.
8) All phones didn't have the "obvious factor" before iPhone.

My last point is my biggest. Due to the fact that each phone back then had something you wanted or needed or liked, or whatever. But they did not ALL have it. A Palm was good for "X", while a BlackBerry was good for "Y", etc. Each phone did not excel at everything. The iPhone (and iOS) pretty much changed that whole thing. You now had the ability to run applications on a small device that was designed to work on such a small device. NOT a dumbed down version of a full blown app. Not a add on like "web browsing" but, an application designed to show you the web on a small device. The "obvious" being that it worked right for what your using it for. No other phone really had that. Which exception to certain features "PDA" like, which worked fine for what it was needed for. Limits of hardware and of course software made each phone good at somethings not, great for everything. Hence why blackberries are going out, and so to with Nokia's old Symbian OS in favor of Windows Mobile. You had good parts, not a great product. iPhones changed that DRAMATICALLY.

Before the iPhone, you didn't have the choices you have now. Now, ever phone maker wants to be like the iPhone. And give you everything the iPhone can give you. Whether they are doing it better or worse is up to the buyer. But, so long as they don't "copy" a patented idea from Apple. They are free to do what they wish to provide the best experience they can with there product.

 

[Zombie Acorn]

My bad too. I wasn't implying google chose to copy, I'm just sick of the idiots who claim there is only one way of doing a mobile OS because the right way to do things is so obvious. Microsoft has found another way, and if a company as tied to legacy systems like Microsoft can innovate, the why the f can't google?

Innovation, clicking an icon to open a program.


I had this functionality in netscape navigator back in the early 90s. Go Apple.

 

[kdarling]

I really have to agree with this. Saw whatever the windows mobile OS is in the wild for the first time on the bus the other day sitting behind this kid. It looked ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like iOS. It can be done, google chooses not to do it.

Apple also chose not to stray too far from recognized paradigms with iOS.

Like many others, I've been doing touch for decades, and mobile touch almost as long. Before Apple came along, I'd already seen and done flick scrolling, sideways window animation, and popup context sensitive input from the bottom of the screen. Basically, everything that the public thought was new with iOS, had been around in non-phone fields for quite a while.

At the time the iPhone came out, much research was being done with mobile UIs. For example, cool, unique things that helped a one-handed user, such as arranging menus and icons in an arc that the thumb could easily click. (I believe there was a very early iOS JB launcher that did that.)

Thus, when the iPhone debuted, my handheld mobile touch group was expecting Apple to come up with a truly unique mobile paradigm. We were excited.

Instead, we saw an almost static app-based icon grid, just like something from an early 1980s desktop or even any other phone at the time.

So the fact is, Apple wanted familiarity in its interface so as not to turn off all the current smartphone and computer users. (It's the same reason they almost went with the iPod wheel... familiarity.) They dared not come out with something too novel.

 

[Bezetos]

My bad too. I wasn't implying google chose to copy, I'm just sick of the idiots who claim there is only one way of doing a mobile OS because the right way to do things is so obvious. Microsoft has found another way, and if a company as tied to legacy systems like Microsoft can innovate, the why the f can't google?

Again, give me an example of why do you think Google can't innovate. Because, I would have to completely and definitively disagree with you.

Street View? Google Glass? Or if we're talking about mobile, The Google Now concept? Face unlock? Cloud-based functionality? The legendary nicely implemented Notification System?

In my opinion Google leads in innovation.

 

[Labeno]

It's funny how so many people think Google did not infringe on Apple's copyrighted property. It would be a different story if these same people would just put blood sweat and tears into some product that they created on their own, then release it to the public, and over the next few months watch all the copy cat products start filtering into the market. Then they would finally say, "wait, I'm the one who came up with that unique idea. If you developed that in a vacuum, you couldn't have possible come up with the same idea. You copied my hard work." For all you folks out there who think Android is not copying, did you see anything like an Android phone before the day the first iPhone was introduced to the public? Nope. Then shortly after, iPhone look-alikes started popping up everywhere, a.k.a. Android. This is exactly what copyright law protects against. I'm an entrepreneur, and I support fighting again copyright infringement.

 

[Moccasin]

Apple's product could possibly be the only remaining one left to purchase in a few years if they litigate everyone else out of the business. I believe that is the point they want to get to. You want a smart phone? You buy an iPhone. Period. 100% market share and no one else allowed to make any sort of touchscreen device. Even though it would dramatically slow innovation and drive up iPhone prices like crazy I do believe there are a lot of Apple fans that would cheer that outcome.

No - just let the competition design their own software or licence someone else's rather than copy it without permission. One reason why Apple haven't gone after MS - they actually designed their own innovative software.

Just checked the legal notices section on my iPhone. Hundreds of licences, copyright references and the like acknowledging other companies' IP. I'm sure Samsung do the same. Just that in these instances they decided they didn't infringe Apple's patents, didn't know about them or thought they were covered by Android's licences. Its now up to the lawyers to argue either way. Clearly the judge decided there was a case to answer.