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Apple is evil! Apple bullies other manufacturers! Long live the copycats! /s;)
 
I'm not sure, we still have no detailed specs, no price and no release date.

Will it be a hit like the xBox or a flop like the Zune?

Time will tell. I can see Windows 8 knocking Android off the playing field as far as tablets are concerned if it is adopted by Samsung and the other OEM's currently selling Android tablets. The average consumer is much more familiar with Windows than Android, IMHO.
 
Once the Surface comes to market, Apple will really have something to worry about. They'll have real competition and nothing to sue over. Now that will be comical.

Unfortunately I have lost faith that Microsoft can pull it off. They are already heading down the wrong path with two tablets running on different architectures. Win 8 has a chance to be something good but this will only muddy the waters.

Then there is the issue of cost. The pro version will likely be much more expensive than the iPad and Android tablets. While it will offer a lot of power the price will be directly compared with a $499 iPad and even less expensive Android tablets. It isn't really a valid comparison but that has never stopped the consumer.
 
Suddenly your definition of "Tablet" isn't quite so clear. We'd spend days arguing over minutia

:D

I present to the court: Exhibit A...

030113.ancient.stone_.tablet.jpg


...now imagine there's a screen on it, and the words can change. Same basic idea. I REST MY CASE!

edit: I got downvoted because it probably says something really bad in ancient Sumerian. Personally, I don't have any problems with those Ubaidians. It's just a funny joke. Hell, my best friend is a Ubaidian.

BUT COMEON! IT EVEN HAS A BEZEL!
 
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Time will tell. I can see Windows 8 knocking Android off the playing field as far as tablets are concerned if it is adopted by Samsung and the other OEM's currently selling Android tablets. The average consumer is much more familiar with Windows than Android, IMHO.

BINGO!

Windows 8 IMO signals the death knell for Android tablets and perhaps phones.

Microsoft and Apple won't sue each other over anything significant. The two companies are like old neighbors that don't hate each other but can tolerate being at the same party every now and then. They both know their areas of profit. Apple isn't going to attack Microsofts cash cow in Office Suites and Server and Apple isn't going to let Microsoft have its way with mobile device though each will eek out a nice split.

I contend that the combination of a desktop OS and mobile platform is superior and Google doesn't have that being a web-centric company.

5 years from now it'll be MSFT and AAPL with GOOG a distant third and RIM gone.
 
So if Apple start making TV's are the big name players going to sue them because they make a TV shaped TV? Does Ford sue GM because they make car shaped cars. All my shoes are shoe shaped maybe there is a lawsuit somewhere there too, humm...

I'm sure Porsche would not hesitate to sue any competitor who tries to copy the 911 design, Ford would not hesitate to sue any competitor who copies the Shelby/Mustang design, Chevrolet would not hesitate to sue any competitor who copies the Camaro & Corvette designs, Volkswagen would not hesitate to sue any competitor who copies the Golf & Beetle designs, etc..
 
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I strongly dislike patents and copyrights, especially when being used at this.

Though I do like the legacy that Steve Jobs has left; the legacy of going after somebody with such tenacity.
That is the purpose of copy rights. I like Apple products and buy them because of the effort they put into designing them. Microsoft nearly killed Apple years ago, not because they had a better product, not because they had a better business model, but because Apple's legal team and the management at the time dropped the ball and they were allowed to copy Apple's OS and use it against them. Thank God they learned their lesson. If you are going to steal from them, get ready for a fight.
 
Something we don't talk about is the culture in Korea

after having lived and worked there I was surprised how rampant copying of goods is in the country

They had open shops for pirated DVD's, games, clothing etc.

This is a cultural issue within Korea which has permeated to their largest business.
 
That is the purpose of copy rights. I like Apple products and buy them because of the effort they put into designing them. Microsoft nearly killed Apple years ago, not because they had a better product, not because they had a better business model, but because Apple's legal team and the management at the time dropped the ball and they were allowed to copy Apple's OS and use it against them. Thank God they learned their lesson. If you are going to steal from them, get ready for a fight.

Yeah, that 3 or so year lawsuit they had going on over look and feel didn't really happen. And they didn't lose because they weren't the originators of the GUI, either.
 
Unfortunately I have lost faith that Microsoft can pull it off. They are already heading down the wrong path with two tablets running on different architectures. Win 8 has a chance to be something good but this will only muddy the waters.

Then there is the issue of cost. The pro version will likely be much more expensive than the iPad and Android tablets. While it will offer a lot of power the price will be directly compared with a $499 iPad and even less expensive Android tablets. It isn't really a valid comparison but that has never stopped the consumer.

The ARM tablet will be the competitor to the iPad and Android tablets while the Pro will be the first in attempting to build a new market. Personally I can see the Pro becoming the way of the future, combing the best of both worlds, a touch interface and a full desktop. As time goes on it may eek out a new segment and laptop sales will drop as this new combo unit becomes more powerful. I think it is a real possibility.
 
Something we don't talk about is the culture in Korea

after having lived and worked there I was surprised how rampant copying of goods is in the country

They had open shops for pirated DVD's, games, clothing etc.

This is a cultural issue within Korea which has permeated to their largest business.

It's not PC to discuss loudly but Asian cultures are kind of known for this. I've talked to many Boeing engineers that have come back on trips from Asia and talked about the bunches of blatant knockoffs they saw of Apple products and more.
 
I was concerned that Apple might go out of business due to poor sales and significant lack of demand.

Thankfully they've been saved by spending their last few thousand dollars on good lawyers.

With some luck they'll shut down Google & Microsoft. Then they can raise prices on Apple products. That ought to help them survive for a few more months.

Phew! That was close. I didn't think they'd get it done in time.
 
So if Apple start making TV's are the big name players going to sue them because they make a TV shaped TV? Does Ford sue GM because they make car shaped cars. All my shoes are shoe shaped maybe there is a lawsuit somewhere there too, humm...

Car designs are patented and protected for certain periods. The car companies tend to respect each others designs. One reason is they don't want to promote something that confuses customers and send them to the competitor. As far as TVs go, Apple has monitors that have their own design. So, it can be done. You don't have to blatantly copy who ever is successful to make it. Get your own damn design.
 
BINGO!

Windows 8 IMO signals the death knell for Android tablets and perhaps phones.

Microsoft and Apple won't sue each other over anything significant. The two companies are like old neighbors that don't hate each other but can tolerate being at the same party every now and then. They both know their areas of profit. Apple isn't going to attack Microsofts cash cow in Office Suites and Server and Apple isn't going to let Microsoft have its way with mobile device though each will eek out a nice split.

I contend that the combination of a desktop OS and mobile platform is superior and Google doesn't have that being a web-centric company.

5 years from now it'll be MSFT and AAPL with GOOG a distant third and RIM gone.

I too can see this happening if Microsoft does it right. Google may well be the odd man out. A lot of people use Windows and I can see them flocking to these new products if they are done properly. Google is still trying to create brand recognition in the software field. Microsoft and Apple did it decades ago.
 
I was concerned that Apple might go out of business due to poor sales and significant lack of demand.

Thankfully they've been saved by spending their last few thousand dollars on good lawyers.

With some luck they'll shut down Google & Microsoft. Then they can raise prices on Apple products. That ought to help them survive for a few more months.

Phew! That was close. I didn't think they'd get it done in time.

The key is to stop them from trying to shut Apple down by shutting them out of the markets they set afire with their own designs.
 
Tragi-comical - Apple are being jerks.

you call Apple jerks for protecting their IP. but if it was Samsung that won over Apple you'd be praising them for standing up for themselves.

classy

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When is Apple going to sue Android manufacturers for copying iOS's pulldown notification center?

try again. That notification center tech was created by an indie developer and both Android and iOS merely license it.
 
Once the Surface comes to market, Apple will really have something to worry about. They'll have real competition and nothing to sue over. Now that will be comical.

Based on the little amount of info that Microsoft gave out and the shabby 'demos' I'd say that Apple has nothing to worry about. they will continue to hold a solid 60% if not higher of the market and the rest of the boys will be battling for the other 40. Microsoft might manage to come out on top with a good 15% but that's about it.

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Twitter owns that one.

Nope. Twitter owns 'pull to refresh' which is not the same thing as notification center
 
Based on the little amount of info that Microsoft gave out and the shabby 'demos' I'd say that Apple has nothing to worry about. they will continue to hold a solid 60% if not higher of the market and the rest of the boys will be battling for the other 40. Microsoft might manage to come out on top with a good 15% but that's about it.

The Surface probably won't be the only tablet running Windows 8. Watch the other OEM's drop Android like a hot potato. People know Windows, not Android.
 
The Surface probably won't be the only tablet running Windows 8. Watch the other OEM's drop Android like a hot potato. People know Windows, not Android.

But do people know Windows 8?

I can really see this doing well as a gaming device, kinda like a portable XBOX 360.
 
Microsoft made a tablet before Apple did I guess that means Microsoft should sue apple?

The estate of Gene Roddenberry or perhaps the props guy from 2001 should sue also since they created tablet computer devices way before Apple or Microsoft. Heck even Captain Picard's Personal Access Data Device might predate either company.
 
I too can see this happening if Microsoft does it right. Google may well be the odd man out. A lot of people use Office and I can see them flocking to these new products if they are done properly. Google is still trying to create brand recognition in the software field. Microsoft and Apple did it decades ago.

Correction to make your theory possible.
 
Once the Surface comes to market, Apple will really have something to worry about. They'll have real competition and nothing to sue over. Now that will be comical.

Microsoft has no real interest in the marketing of tablet devices, they are just trying to push "Windows Ate" my hard drive.

Surface has been around for years with little interest shown by, well anybody.
It will fair no better in the compact form.
 
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