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Which is why Apple is suing every tablet and Android phone over this particular issue...oh...wait...it's just Samsung? Nobody else?

Well, if Apple is just being a jerk and this works so well, why do you think they're limiting themselves to just one company? Surely you have an answer to that question, right?

Think about it...think real hard!
 
It's sad to see people down-voting those who disagree with this decision. Removing competition harms consumers at the end of the day.

Exactly how different can a tablet be made to look?
 
It's sad to see people down-voting those who disagree with this decision. Removing competition harms consumers at the end of the day.

Competition that based on copying someone else's product instead of actually innovating doesn't really help consumers to have a choice.

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i'm surprised that no one has commented on the damages bond Apple has to file. Those are ordered by the court when you are cutting off sales of a current product to cover damages from a reasonably expected amount of sales that should have happened without the injunction.

do the math, even at $99 a pop, the court doesn't think that Samsung would have sold more than 26k units. Apple does that in like a week. ouch.
 
Competition that based on copying someone else's product instead of actually innovating doesn't really help consumers to have a choice.

I just googled up a few pictures of the Tab 10.1. From the front, yeah, it does look like the iPad. But the iPad wasn't the first electronic device to have a screen surrounded by a black bezel with rounded corners. I could bring up 10,001 different products that came out before the iPad that were strikingly similar when looked at head on.

It's the profile of the iPad that's unique. The thin design, the tapered edges, the silver aluminum body. Nothing has quite looked like it before...

...or since. From the side, the only thing the Galaxy Tab shares in common with the iPad is the silver color along the edges. But it doesn't share the tapered edges, and the back looks COMPLETELY different.

And of course there's the internal hardware, where the iPad and Tab share nothing in common besides using an ARM processor and a battery.

Quite simply, I don't see it as straight up copying. Inspired? Eh. Yeah. More than a little bit. But not to the point that you could consider it blatant theft.
 
I just can't make myself feel bad for either company when this happens anymore. What I want is for each company to choose a champion to fight this out in an epic StarCra.... err... I mean... Madden football video game.
 
The key is to stop them from trying to shut Apple down by shutting them out of the markets they set afire with their own designs.
Setting aside my sense of humor & sarcasm, here's my true thoughts.

If we take ten paces back, & look at the big picture, Apple is not only wildly successful financially, but also in nearly all other metrics.

They are the darling of Hollywood, well respected within the tech sector (even if despised by some) and on a roll like never before.

The momentum alone, is enough to make grown men (fellow tech CEO's) cry when behind closed doors.

Oh sure I'm all for them defending against IP Theft, yet that's not as clear cut as the Apple purists would have us believe. If it were I would be the first to criticize Samsung.

Long story short, one look at the majority of my posts & you'll see I'm not afraid to be outspoken. I stand strong with Apple when they are right, when discussing their stellar products on the computing side, and when helping or advising others.

Yet when they push the limits with questionable business practices, I don't hesitate to criticize them for that. Before I post, I make a conscious decision to be as fair as possible. After all... I have tens of thousands of dollars invested in Apple computers & gear. Thus my point is I make every effort to look at both sides.

In this instance, I believe Apple has gone overboard & done more harm than good. Respectfully, those that do not have a deep understanding of big business, only understand a small fraction of what's involved.

One choice that Apple could select, would be to call off the dogs, continue to innovate & compete in the marketplace, and prevail using their expertise & power to produce world class products.

That's how they've achieved their present success & there's no reason to change now.

Stealing ideas & copying designs is as old as the hills. Apple looks pathetic, taking this approach.
 
The ARM tablet will be the competitor to the iPad and Android tablets while the Pro will be the first in attempting to build a new market. Personally I can see the Pro becoming the way of the future, combing the best of both worlds, a touch interface and a full desktop. As time goes on it may eek out a new segment and laptop sales will drop as this new combo unit becomes more powerful. I think it is a real possibility.

I agree but you have two problems.

Price: People will look at the Pro tablet and even though it is a fully functional computer they will still compare it to the lesser equipped tablets only because of the form factor.

Segmentation: People will be confused when a piece of Win 8 tablet software will run on one tablet and not the other.

Microsoft can pull it off but I don't see that happening. If they focused on a single tablet OS they would be in a much better position. Android has burned a lot of people and MS runs the risk of that animosity spilling over. While I don't believe MS would leave people out to dry like the Android updates I'm bet it will be a battle they have to fight.
 
So if Apple start making TV's are the big name players going to sue them because they make a TV shaped TV? Does Ford sue GM because they make car shaped cars. All my shoes are shoe shaped maybe there is a lawsuit somewhere there too, humm...

To fawn air, if you started selling trucks and called them the F150 Denali then both Ford and GM would sue you.

If you decided to sell shoes that had an Air system or called them Jordans then Nike would be all over you with law suits.

I don't think the nature of these lawsuits are that simple. Samsung has a history of releasing products that borrow too much from Apple products they're competing with.
 
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Segmentation: People will be confused when a piece of Win 8 tablet software will run on one tablet and not the other.

Won't be as bad as you think for two reasons. 1. Just about every Metro app on x86 will likely be compiled for ARM as well. 2. The Pro model won't be as widely distributed as the RT. You can grab the RT at Best Buy or Sears. The Pro? Only online or at MS stores.

Price: People will look at the Pro tablet and even though it is a fully functional computer they will still compare it to the lesser equipped tablets only because of the form factor.

Because of point 2 above, this won't be too big of a deal, either. If Average Joe is shopping for his next tablet online, he'll see the cheaper RT tablet compared against the more expensive Pro. It's no different than the $499 16GB wifi only iPad vs. the $829 64GB 4G LTE iPad.
 
Won't be as bad as you think for two reasons. 1. Just about every Metro app on x86 will likely be compiled for ARM as well. 2. The Pro model won't be as widely distributed as the RT. You can grab the RT at Best Buy or Sears. The Pro? Only online or at MS stores.



Because of point 2 above, this won't be too big of a deal, either. If Average Joe is shopping for his next tablet online, he'll see the cheaper RT tablet compared against the more expensive Pro. It's no different than the $499 16GB wifi only iPad vs. the $829 64GB 4G LTE iPad.

It is entirely possible, I just don't think Microsoft has it in them.
 
I just googled up a few pictures of the Tab 10.1. From the front, yeah, it does look like the iPad. But the iPad wasn't the first electronic device to have a screen surrounded by a black bezel with rounded corners. I could bring up 10,001 different products that came out before the iPad that were strikingly similar when looked at head on.

It's the profile of the iPad that's unique. The thin design, the tapered edges, the silver aluminum body. Nothing has quite looked like it before...

...or since. From the side, the only thing the Galaxy Tab shares in common with the iPad is the silver color along the edges. But it doesn't share the tapered edges, and the back looks COMPLETELY different.

And of course there's the internal hardware, where the iPad and Tab share nothing in common besides using an ARM processor and a battery.

Quite simply, I don't see it as straight up copying. Inspired? Eh. Yeah. More than a little bit. But not to the point that you could consider it blatant theft.

If people are not familiar with legal statutes on trade dress, then Apple suing makes no sense. Trade dress includes many different elements, not one.

Saying" how different could "tablets" look?", may say more about the creativity level of the speaker than about design. Few of us are Jonny Ive.

How many ways could a paper clip be designed? At least 50 styles were patented before the main one used today was.

If, of course, one is looking to use "fanbois" as butt of a joke or is always on the lookout for a fault in Apple's approach or in users respect for and practical usage of a product, then logic doesn't really matter, it's more about the critic using the comment for their personal agenda platform. Understanding the motive (and time spent) in being the "critical judge of what Apple is doing and how silly/over the top/kool aid drinking "fanbois" reactions are, has always escaped me. But, if it floats one's boat, then it's their mission.....somehow.
 
I definitely have mixed feelings about this. Samsung does have every right to produce a tablet. And a tablet, by nature, can only look so unique. Same goes for smart phones these days- most of them have all the same basic design ideas.

I think that the real factor is the OS, which in this case is drastically different enough to demonstrate that Samsung was trying to go their own way.

This would be like Compaq claiming Packard Bell ripped off their design for the 486 machines back in the day. A box. With a couple slots. They all looked the same back then, just as all the tablets look more or less the same today. Glass, with a button, and a touch interface. Given, Apple did pioneer the initial success of the tablet, but Samsung is not the only one making a product that plays off the design of the iPad.


Not a totally absurd analogy. However, in the days of the real Compaq and Packard Bell, the beige box that the parts came in was not part of what was being sold. With the iPad and the pretenders, the form and finish of the product is as much a part of the product as what it does.

Here's a better analogy: When I was a kid I wanted a basketball to play at the court in the neighborhood park. While shopping in the local discount store I saw a Wilson Official basketball, one of the most respected names in sporting goods at a price much discounted from what I knew they generally sold for. So I asked my mother to buy it for me, and she did. I was so excited when I got home and pulled it out of the box. But it felt rubbery, spongy and light. Not like the high quality ones we used in gym at school. I took it outside, somewhat apprehensively, and started to bounce it on the ground. Something didn't seem right. But what could be wrong? It said Wilson. I looked again. It was only then that I realized that I didn't have a Wilson basketball, but a Winston basketball. The logo, and all of the other markings were made to look exactly like those of a Wilson. I mean exactly, down to the cursive of the script in the name.

The makers of the Winston basketball were trying to leverage the success and reputation of the Wilson brand by copying it with substandard components, design and construction, and confuse those who were looking for the real thing. THIS is what Apple is accusing Samsung of doing.
 
Everyone needs to take their emotions or their fanboyism out of this... iSheep and Fandroids both.

The fact is Samsung has been copying Apple. It's blatantly obvious. Many judges now from around the world, who don't particularly care about technology in one way or the other, agree. Just look and you can see for yourself.

Apple won because Samsung copies Apple's products. It's obvious. Samsung needs to change their strategy (and I feel they currently are beginning to get the picture).

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Latest products = original galaxy from 2010 and galaxy tab from 2011.
Similar packaging = a white box (i bought a galaxy tab so dont tell me i dont know what it looks like)
similar products = black, thin, slate with homebutton (samsung had a product with a square homebutton in 2006 aka before the iphone, and you cant patent thin black slates)

Apple needs to stop bitching and thinking they are the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind.

The amount of stuff they borrowed from Android in ios 5 and 6 is disgusting, so if you think that android still copied ios, i think the copying playing field is even now.
 
It is entirely possible, I just don't think Microsoft has it in them.

They're putting the entire strength of the company behind it. The tablet space is a burgeoning market they need to be a part of if they want to still be in the consumer tech game 10 years from now.



Your argument only makes sense if the Galaxy Tab was so similar to the iPad that it's nigh indistinguishable at first glance. To use your story against you, it's like Wilson suing Winston not because it made an inferior product that aped off their name, but because they're both selling a round basketball. Round being the key word here.

The iPad and Galaxy Tab are very similar in style, I'll give you that. But no one will confuse one for the other.
 
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Everyone needs to take their emotions or their fanboyism out of this... iSheep and Fandroids both.

The fact is Samsung has been copying Apple. It's blatantly obvious. Many judges now from around the world, who don't particularly care about technology in one way or the other, agree. Just look and you can see for yourself.

Apple won because Samsung copies Apple's products. It's obvious. Samsung needs to change their strategy (and I feel they currently are beginning to get the picture).

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^This. Samsung came too close to the iPad design with the GTab, but I think the lawsuits are making them rethink their design decisions, as evident in the design of the GS3.
 
I'll bet there are more Windows users than Office users. Don't tell me your worried too?
Worried about what? For the record, my house contains 1 iPad2 and 1 Galaxy Tab 2.

My point is that users don't give a damn about Windows. Do you have any idea how many people say they are using "Windows 2007", meaning Office? Users care about what they do, not what IT freaks play with.
 
If people are not familiar with legal statutes on trade dress, then Apple suing makes no sense. Trade dress includes many different elements, not one.

Yes, but no one is confusing an iPad with a Samsung.

And it's not like someone comes in looking and asks to look at what kind of iPads the have in stock, referring to Android tablets.

And finally, design patents tend to be quite narrow, so I'm pretty sure nothing will happen here on appeal.

Good news is that Samsung is a big player and Apple isn't trolling little guys.
 
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