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Holy crap! Look at that black bezel and rounded corners! It looks like a giant iPad!

...that came out circa 2007ish.

Not a good sign that they began by naming the NEW Surface after their end-table-with-a-wall-socket flop. Recycling a name on a product that's supposed to be your turn around? It would be identical to Apple naming the iPad as The Newton.
 
"And boy have we patented it!" - Steve Jobs

Sammy must have thought he was kidding.

And then Apple go and steal Samsung technical data methods along with lots of different parts of Android. I bet Steve would love the egg on his face.
 
And then Apple go and steal Samsung technical data methods along with lots of different parts of Android. I bet Steve would love the egg on his face.

People love to throw the pull down notifications menu into the mix. But name something else Apple has "stolen" from Android. We all know hind site is 20/20. Smartphones before, and after, just like tablets before and after iOS look dramatically different, and Apple isn't going to stand for blatant thievery.
 
"And boy have we patented it!" - Steve Jobs

Sammy must have thought he was kidding.

Well, he probably did, or was just being dishonest since Apple didn't have all the patents Jobs claimed.

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People love to throw the pull down notifications menu into the mix. But name something else Apple has "stolen" from Android. We all know hind site is 20/20. Smartphones before, and after, just like tablets before and after iOS look dramatically different, and Apple isn't going to stand for blatant thievery.

Personal hot spot.
 
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Help me out here...I'm willing to be proven wrong but I can't find any examples of those using Google.

HTC
Motorola

There you go chief.

Patent lawsuits, sure, but as we're talking about the 'look and feel' lawsuits those clearly don't count. I'm just on my iPhone so maybe my Googling isn't a good as it could be. If you have articles about these other companies facing this type of trial I'd love to see them because it's something I wasn't aware of.

Nope, we're talking a patent lawsuit here too, don't try to move thar goalposts on me ;). Read the reuters piece and the Apple complaint. Judge Koh today granted the injunction based on this part of the complain :

Apple’s Design Patents
25. Apple also has protected its innovative designs through design patents issued by
the United States Patent and Trademark Office. The Apple design patents cover the many famous
ornamental features of Apple’s devices, such as the flat black face, metallic bezel, and the
distinctive matrix of application icons. Apple owns all right, title, and interest in and to each of
the asserted design patents listed below, copies of which are attached as Exhibits 8-10.
Patent Number Title
D627,790 (the “’D790 patent”) Graphical User Interface For a Display
Screen or Portion Thereof
D602,016 (the “’D016 patent”) Electronic Device
D618,677 (the “’D677 patent”) Electronic Device

So this is very much a patent lawsuit, over design patents rather than utility patents. Now what are these patents for exactly ? Unfortunately, hard to see since I don't have proper viewing software on my Mac for the USPTO office's image format and the patents themselves are mostly for drawings, as can be evidenced from D677 :

Description


FIG. 1 is a front perspective view of an electronic device in accordance with the present invention;

FIG. 2 is a rear perspective view thereof;

FIG. 3 is a front view thereof;

FIG. 4 is a rear view thereof;

FIG. 5 is a top view thereof;

FIG. 6 is bottom view thereof;

FIG. 7 is a left side view thereof; and,

FIG. 8 is a right side view thereof.

The claimed surface of the electronic device is illustrated with the color designation for the color black.

The electronic device is not limited to the scale shown herein. As indicated in the title, the article of manufacture to which the ornamental design has been applied is an electronic device, media player (e.g., music, video and/or game player), media storage device, a personal digital assistant, a communication device (e.g., cellular phone), a novelty item or toy.

I like I that last word on the description though...:p

Also, take notice the complaint is against what device... the original Galaxy Tab. The 7 incher with Gingerbread, not the Honeycomb stuff.
 
People love to throw the pull down notifications menu into the mix. But name something else Apple has "stolen" from Android. We all know hind site is 20/20. Smartphones before, and after, just like tablets before and after iOS look dramatically different, and Apple isn't going to stand for blatant thievery.


Can you name something that Android has "stolen" from iOS?
 
But name something else Apple has "stolen" from Android.

Apple has taken a lot of what the industry built over the years, not just from Android. For every line of products they have, they have built on top of the shoulders of giants before them. You want to nitpick single features (no need to even work here, articles have been written on this subject)

That's how the industry moves forward. Someone implants an idea, people run with it, improve it, make it better, abandon it for the next best thing. That's how the iPhone came about (building on top of RIM, Microsoft, Nokia's offerings) and that's how other players and phones will be built.

Apple is playing within this sandbox, but trying to keep all the toys to themselves. Don't work that way.
 
Nope, we're talking a patent lawsuit here too, don't try to move thar goalposts on me ;).

I'm not moving anything. My question has always been: What other companies has Apple sued over the way the products look? I haven't changed that question, and using your own links I still remain unconvinced.

You clearly point out with your quotes that this Samsung Galaxy thread is about how it looks. I agree with that part, that's been made clear.

The Motorolla link, however, simply says it's about "cellular technology patents" and the HTC link is more about the ban than the actual lawsuit, so it's hard to tell what that was over. In neither case do I see anything about the look of the device being mentioned.

Maybe those cases did involve issues like that when you dig deep down, but I'm not seeing that talked about in the article.

Which brings me back to my last post: If Apple has been suing other companies over the look of their devices, I haven't read about it.

I'm still willing to believe this is a journalism failure and that these articles just aren't making that fact clear. But if so, the links you provided only continue that trend.
 
What about Apple stealing Samsungs data methods?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18529756

This so called "Win" by Apple is useless, its bans an old product which they dont make any more?

"In accordance with the ruling, we will seek adequate compensation for the damages Apple and its products have caused."

So not only did they try to make money off Apples design for the galaxy tab. Because that flopped they will just make money of Apples iPad.

Nice work Samsung. :rolleyes:
 
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you with the first rough draft of the Krasus Tab. Designed in 15 minutes by a random amateur on the internet (me) and meant to show that tablets need not look like iPads.

KrasusTab.jpg



It may not be the prettiest thing out there, but that's not the point. If silly old me can manage that in a few spare moments, why can't the well-paid industrial designers of a global multi-million dollar company?

There's no excuse. Tablet makers should sell their products on their own merits instead of marketing it as, "It's an iPad... except cheaper!"
 
And btw, for those wondering, I'm more willing to believe Samsung is wrong because of stuff like this:

http://samsungcopiesapple.tumblr.com/

(The power charger is a particular favorite of mine.)

If Apple sued other companies because their phone looked like an iPhone, I'd be a LOT more skeptical and probably side with the other company at first. Seriously, if Apple ever sued RIM or HTC because their phone "looked like" an iPhone I really think I'd side with those companies at first blush.

But with Samsung, I really feel that they've proved they're doing this on purpose. Just look at that link and tell me it's all accidental. I know the legal case isn't decided on those merits, but I'm just explaining why I come into this biased against Samsung.
 
People love to throw the pull down notifications menu into the mix. But name something else Apple has "stolen" from Android.
You really want to go there? You want someone to name one of the plethora of things that Apple "has stolen"? I could talk about "access to camera from the unlock screen", "tab sync in Safari", the whole iCloud business with syncing contacts and content and on-the-fly system updates, "the VIP inbox concept", "Do Not Disturb mode", the upcoming "Map app with vector graphics and rotatable labels"... But what's the point? Innovation should come from a lot of sources, it shouldn't be artificially limited.
 
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Microsoft seemed to be able to do it and not have even the packaging INSIDE THE BOX look EXACTLY like Apple's

I used to think that Apple should just let it be, a tablet has a pretty basic form and competition is a good thing, but I had little opinion about the matter. Then my sister got a Samsung smart phone and I saw the box. It gets easier to support Apple once you see the box.
 
Lets translate this ruling.

It means NOTHING. It is on a product that is no longer in production and Samsung is not even pushing or selling. So Apple one an injunction that is MEANING LESS.

It is on the first Galaxy tab 10.1 from last year. It does not effect the Galaxy tab 2 10.1.

MacRumors did a poor job of handling this one and left out key parts of infomation that is in the source link they got it from.
 
So not only did they try to make money off Apples design for the galaxy tab. Because that flopped they will just make money of Apples iPad.

Nice work Samsung. :rolleyes:

Seriously, it's funny how people can be so biased...

Apple suing Samsung - a fight to protect innovation
Samsung suing Apple - cheeky bastards trying to make money on Apple

Do you really see nothing wrong with your opinion?
 
And btw, for those wondering, I'm more willing to believe Samsung is wrong because of stuff like this:

http://samsungcopiesapple.tumblr.com/

(The power charger is a particular favorite of mine.)

If Apple sued other companies because their phone looked like an iPhone, I'd be a LOT more skeptical and probably side with the other company at first. Seriously, if Apple ever sued RIM or HTC because their phone "looked like" an iPhone I really think I'd side with those companies at first blush.

But with Samsung, I really feel that they've proved they're doing this on purpose. Just look at that link and tell me it's all accidental. I know the legal case isn't decided on those merits, but I'm just explaining why I come into this biased against Samsung.

Whoa, look what they did with the Mini.

I thought I couldn't have any less respect for them untill I saw that. Amazing
 
Seriously, it's funny how people can be so biased...

Apple suing Samsung - a fight to protect innovation
Samsung suing Apple - cheeky bastards trying to make money on Apple

Do you really see nothing wrong with your opinion?

Did my comment not relate to that link? Not sure what was wrong with it at all.
 
I'm not moving anything. My question has always been: What other companies has Apple sued over the way the products look? I haven't changed that question, and using your own links I still remain unconvinced.

You said :

Which is why Apple is suing every tablet and Android phone over this particular issue...oh...wait...it's just Samsung? Nobody else?

Now, since you didn't define "particular issue", I thought it to mean iPad patents. Sorry if I was too broad in my interpretation of your "particular".
 
What's amusing - that is if this situation was reversed - it would seriously impeded Apple's business because their refresh rate is most always longer.

In other news - Samsung has already filed an appeal.


Lets translate this ruling.

It means NOTHING. It is on a product that is no longer in production and Samsung is not even pushing or selling. So Apple one an injunction that is MEANING LESS.

It is on the first Galaxy tab 10.1 from last year. It does not effect the Galaxy tab 2 10.1.

MacRumors did a poor job of handling this one and left out key parts of infomation that is in the source link they got it from.
 
You really want to go there? You want someone to name one of the plethora of things that Apple "has stolen"? I could talk about "access to camera from the unlock screen", "tab sync in Safari", the whole iCloud business with syncing contacts and content and on-the-fly system updates, "the VIP inbox concept", "Do Not Disturb mode", the upcoming "Map app with vector graphics and rotatable labels"... But what's the point? Innovation should come from a lot of sources, it shouldn't be artificially limited.

Don't waste your breath, he'll dismiss all your examples.
 
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