Apple Wins Preliminary Injunction Against Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales in U.S.

[melendezest]

Holy crap!

Right? People keep saying "Well a tablet has to be a rectangle!"

Boy, if that's all it was then yeah, I'd be opposed to Apple too. But there's clearly so much more going on there.

Dude, thanks for the link. I thought Samsung was wrong just on the merits of their Galaxy Tab product design, interface, and packaging. But wow, how can people think that this is okay??? I'd be ready to off someone if they stole my stuff my ideas like that. They'd wake up with a horse's head next to them.

 

[hayesk]

You people are so easy to manipulate....

This picture:

Uhm... if you think those mini PCs look more like a Mac mini than the Samsung Chromebox, then you need your eyes checked.

And yes, making the top black does help to distinguish it a bit, but come on, how many other PCs had a circular cover on the bottom before the Mac mini? Why didn't Samsung just put four screws on the bottom and have the whole plate come off instead?

Not only that, how many PC manufacturers even showed the bottom of the PC in marketing materials?

Don't expect anyone with a little bit of intelligence to see the bottom of that Samsung Chromebox and conclude they didn't get that idea directly from the Mac mini.

 

[melendezest]

Can you point what are those blatant copies?

Please, concrete examples

See SmallWhiteCar's post, with the iPhone and the Samsung phone side by side. Even the icon color scheme is the same...

 

[Oletros]

See SmallWhiteCar's post, with the iPhone and the Samsung phone side by side. Even the icon color scheme is the same...

That is NOT Android and even, the Galaxy icons are not the homescreen

 

[zoetmb]

"...we need to protect Apple's intellectual property when companies steal our ideas."

Good one, Apple. I'll keep quiet about valid arguments of cases where YOU guys have stolen ideas from other companies.
(Which, everyone steals from everyone so I guess it doesn't matter anyway)

It's not the idea - it's the implementation of the idea. The problem with what Samsung did is that they copied almost everything at once, including the packaging and trade dress. It's one thing to say that the problem you're solving is always going to require the same solution: any computer device is going to have a screen and either a virtual or physical keyboard. It's quite another to design a device that has almost exactly the same finish, corners, bezel, general UI of software, box, colors, etc. What Samsung did was just one step short of pirating and they deserve to be stopped.

Samsung is a smart company with some great products. They won the TV market with building some great sets at lower prices. They need to use their expertise, engineering and imagination a bit more rather than copying everything Apple does.

That's all quite different that "borrowing" a single element of a UI or the idea of a spreadsheet. Beyond that, what has Apple stolen? And don't tell me the original GUI of the Mac because they paid Xerox a $million for a license to do so.

 

[Bezetos]

You seriously claim this looks like an iPad? Nothing like it.

Just to clarify. It looks nothing like it?

 

[Navdakilla]

good job Apple

 

[Bezetos]

Don't expect anyone with a little bit of intelligence to see the bottom of that Samsung Chromebox and conclude they didn't get that idea directly from the Mac mini.

I love such arguments. "Anyone smart enough", "Don't expect anyone with a little bit of intelligence", etc.. Love them.

I on the other hand am going to claim that if you think that the circle on the back of the computer was stolen from Apple, you're an idiot. How's that for a nice argument?

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Haha. Congratulations for ignoring my post.

Please elaborate. Which post you're talking about?

 

[Will do good]

"...we need to protect Apple's intellectual property when companies steal our ideas."

Good one, Apple. I'll keep quiet about valid arguments of cases where YOU guys have stolen ideas from other companies.
(Which, everyone steals from everyone so I guess it doesn't matter anyway)

If other companies feel Apple have stole from them, they can sue Apple. Let's see how successful those claims are.

 

[Bezetos]

If other companies feel Apple have stole from them, they can sue Apple. Let's see how successful those claims are.

Not everyone wants to be a patent troll.

 

[gnasher729]

Just to clarify. It looks nothing like it?

If you put an iPad, a Samsung tablet, and this HP tablet on a table, then anyone can pick the odd one out which would be this HP tablet.


(Talking about a small Dell computer, about as small as a MacMini)

It's a rectangle, it has rounded corners, it has a disc drive at the front... I guess based on the comments here that's enough to claim that "they stole from Apple"?

According to many of the straw man argument along the lines of "rectangle with rounded corners", it would be enough for a straw man claim. Of course it doesn't look like a Mac Mini at all. The height / width ratio is very distinctively different, even more than the difference between the old and the new Mac Mini. The corners are not just rounded, but they start moving inside from quite a distance to the corner, and only later are they circular shaped, while the MacMini's corners are just quarter circles. The material is totally different. Any one of these would mean that the design is different from the Mac Mini's design.

 

[Lindenhurst]

When is Apple going to sue Android manufacturers for copying iOS's pulldown notification center?

They may have copied it but they made it magical..Hey.. I love Apple stuff as much as the next guy buy unlike a year or so ago, I am now using products made by someone other than Apple and they " just work" as well.

 

[samcraig]

He's not being stupid, he's 100% bang on. His anecdote was indicative of the typical consumer. Note, that not a single one of us on this forum is a typical consumer. It isn't just old people; people of all ages are calling all tablets "iPads" and when they see two that look alike, they can easily be tricked into buying the wrong one if it's cheaper, comes with a free case that day, etc. This is what the concept of "consumer confusion" is all about. Apple claimed that Samsung designed their tablet to take advantage of this, and the court agreed.

I think you're taking liberties. And no doubt, to some degree I am too when I say that most consumers won't be "tricked" into buying a cheaper tablet thinking they are getting an iPad. Most consumers will CHOOSE to spend less money for an iPad-like device.

That's not the same.

 

[sirozha]

It's a rectangle, it has rounded corners, it has a disc drive at the front... I guess based on the comments here that's enough to claim that "they stole from Apple"?

What’s important is the cover on the underbody, which can be twisted and taken off, that allows access to the inside of the Mac Mini without requiring any tools. It makes it possible to upgrade RAM - the most commonly done hardware upgrade - literally within a couple of minutes. Samsung copied the design of the underbody almost verbatim. This is an example of why Apple is suing Samsung. Samsung could have designed access to the inside of their computer from underbody in a different way, but they chose to copy Apple’s design. If they really thought that the Apple’s design is the best way to provide access to the internal parts, then they should have asked Apple to license out that feature to them. I’m not sure Apple holds a patent for this design, but I’m sure that if they don’t, they are paying a license fee to those who do.

 

[Bezetos]

If you put an iPad, a Samsung tablet, and this HP tablet on a table, then anyone can pick the odd one out which would be this HP tablet.

Yes, because it's silver. And it's nearly ten years old. It's still a rectangle with rounded edges.

 

[Oletros]

If you put an iPad, a Samsung tablet, and this HP tablet on a table, then anyone can pick the odd one out which would be the iPad, the Samsung and the HP tablet.

Corrected, you're welcome

 

[mygoldens]

Apple, grow up!

Somebody has got a similar idea to yours....let's take notifications, Android had the pull down first, should Google block the sale of the iPhone/iPad?

Make a better iPad and people will buy it, stop playing games already!

I personally do not see a use for a slate like the iPad, but to each their own.

 

[ChrisTX]

Can you name something that Android has "stolen" from iOS?

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. However I'll spare you the whole factual argument that points out that the original prototype android phone that was made by HTC looked exactly like a BlackBerry. I guess being the CEO, and sitting on the board of directors for the competition certainly doesn't hurt either. It's also very telling when the CEO(at the time) could be seen on various occasions using a BlackBerry because this own mobile OS simply wasn't good enough.

 

[foodog]

Apple is suing every tablet manufacturer who uses Android. Samsung, Motorola, HTC... Go figure.

No they are suing manufacturers based on specifics, mostly to do with phones and FRAND. With Samsung it is about how they marketed the Galaxy.

 

[Oletros]

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. However I'll spare you the whole factual argument that points out that the original prototype android phone that was made by HTC looked exactly like a BlackBerry. I guess being the CEO, and sitting on the board of directors for the competition certainly doesn't hurt either.

My God, another time the wrong fact about the Blackberry prototype?

One: There weere TWO prototypes, one touch only and the other like WM ((not Blackberry)

Two: Android is SOFTWARE, not HARDWARE. Can you pint what Android, the operating system has stolen from iOS?

Three: Are you accsuing Erich Schmidt of stealing?

 

[Bezetos]

What’s important is the cover on the underbody, which can be twisted and taken off, that allows access to the inside of the Mac Mini without requiring any tools. It makes it possible to upgrade RAM - the most commonly done hardware upgrade - literally within a couple of minutes. Samsung copied the design of the underbody almost verbatim. This is an example of why Apple is suing Samsung. Samsung could have designed access to the inside of their computer from underbody in a different way, but they chose to copy Apple’s design. If they really thought that the Apple’s design is the best way to provide access to the internal parts, then they should have asked Apple to license out that feature to them. I’m not sure Apple holds a patent for this design, but I’m sure that if they don’t, they are paying a license fee to those who do.

This is a perfect example of "Apple talk". "The underbody can be twisted and taken off (...) it makes it possible to upgrade RAM - the most commonly done hardware upgrade - literally within a couple of minutes." This all sounds great, it's "revolutionary" and gives the user "an entirely new experience" blah blah blah, but:

1) Apple is known for making it difficult to replace components in your hardware (can you replace iPhone's battery? No?)
2) This is NOT an original idea. There is a plethora of devices out there which have a underbody with an easy-removable lid. I have a very old blender which has a circular lid which you can twist and open if you want to oil some of the rotating parts (that's how old it is). I remember owning a dancing toy which had a circular lid which you could twist to open and replace the battery inside.

 

[samcraig]

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. However I'll spare you the whole factual argument that points out that the original prototype android phone that was made by HTC looked exactly like a BlackBerry. I guess being the CEO, and sitting on the board of directors for the competition certainly doesn't hurt either.

Jobs never accused (nor did Apple) any board member of impropriety. Let it go. Correlation does not imply causation.

Also let go the notion that the prototype whose likeness was released was the one and only way HTC was going or would go with the product with or without the iPhone.

Circumstantial evidence isn't fact.

 

[foodog]

Make a better iPad and people will buy it, stop playing games already!

I think its the other way around. iPads are selling pretty well.

 

[JAT]

The average Joe only knows Windows. Just like Apple targets the average Joe. Only Windows has a lot more average Joe's. And it does the job just fine.

I don't think you actually grasped either of my posts. I disagree completely about Joe. Joe knows what he DOES, not what OS his computer runs, or anything about the OS other than the name. Presumably, the MS tablets will have Office on them, that is what users USE. That is what they will care about. If MS put out Office for iOS, it would severely change the MS tablet potential.

 

[Bezetos]

No they are suing manufacturers based on specifics, mostly to do with phones and FRAND. With Samsung it is about how they marketed the Galaxy.

Yes you are correct, some of the cases against Samsung do relate to how they have marketed their product; however there are many cases against Samsung and they include ones that relate to technical specifics.