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I agree - The iPad Pro is their consumer response to MS Surface line. And this is a bit too late. We asked for Siri integration a long time ago. One would think that Apple's experience with opening up iOS with the App Store would be a good model for everything they do moving forward… open it up! Siri, Maps, etc. They seem so slow to integration and innovation now.
Helo newbie, being the first is not always the best, thinking things through first, and protecting the privacy of customers certainly is. As you are a late arrival to this forum you may have missed how the MS Surface was an answer to Apple's iPad and millions of Android copies.
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I might have it backwards :)

Or different phones do different things. Yikes.
Yeah, with so many companies churning out Android devices it is difficult to keep track how to use them.
 
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They all run on Android software in which the same widget is used on every phone to provide that functionality. The feature is put in the software by Google and not removed by the carriers and manufacturers. Every phone responds to "OK Google" if they have the Google search bar widget on their phone.

I have a Moto X that's always listening. That part of it, at least, only responds to "Okay Google Now". Which, as I said, is good because my Moto 360 watch responds to "Okay Google".

Unlike "Hey Siri"... which turns off to conserve power when its proximity and lights sensors tells it that it's in a pocket, the Moto X even listens even when it's in my shirt pocket. This is very useful.

For instance, while driving, my wife might ask a question. If I don't know the answer, I just talk to the air and say "Okay Google Now" and I hear a little beep respond inside my shirt pocket. "How tall is the Eiffel Tower?" and after a few seconds, my phone speaks back the answer.

It's easier than taking out the phone and having to keep it in a cup holder or someplace I might forget to pick it up from. It also keeps it hidden from any prying cop eyes :)
 
I agree - The iPad Pro is their consumer response to MS Surface line. And this is a bit too late. We asked for Siri integration a long time ago. One would think that Apple's experience with opening up iOS with the App Store would be a good model for everything they do moving forward… open it up! Siri, Maps, etc. They seem so slow to integration and innovation now.

Quick point to this and all tech enthusiasts should already know this. The MS Surface Pro line is in no shape or form a competitor to any 10+ in tablet. The Surface Pro line is a full fledged laptop and tablet combo. It runs Windows 10 Pro (at least the surface pro 4 line). I can run all windows applications on a Surface Pro on top of Windows Store Apps. The Surface Pro's main competitor is the Macbook Pro in terms of build quality and price.
 
Many felt the same way regarding portable MP3 players, cell phones, and tablets.
That was when it was something that legitimately was underdeveloped. All of those devices had been in a rough shape, until Apple brought life to them with the iPod, iPhone and iPad. With this, there's really nothing. It's not even cool technology, it's lame. I'd rather speak to a real person or get a device.
 
With this, there's really nothing. It's not even cool technology, it's lame
People said the same about the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Anyone who isn't interested in <insert product name here> largely thinks said product is a dud and can't understand its use to anyone.
I'd rather speak to a real person or get a device
So, you'd rather say to a real person living with you "play Bruce Springsteen on the main stereo"? And your family accepts your orders and willingly does your bidding? o_O I already have quite a bit of home automation, predating HomeKit, and I'd love to be able to open my drapes, set my lights, etc. without having to get my phone from my pocket or my iPad from another room.
 
Why does this feel so "reactionary" and not "visionary" like the way Apple used to develop their products?
 
People said the same about the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Anyone who isn't interested in <insert product name here> largely thinks said product is a dud and can't understand its use to anyone.
No no you don't understand. What is Google Home or Amazon Echo? Is it really something that needs serious innovation like MP3s and cell phones needed? Not at all. Apple will just copy paste, get Siri and iPhones to work with it, and that's it. They've been doing that for a while now, and it never worked well.
So, you'd rather say to a real person living with you "play Bruce Springsteen on the main stereo"? And your family accepts your orders and willingly does your bidding? o_O I already have quite a bit of home automation, predating HomeKit, and I'd love to be able to open my drapes, set my lights, etc. without having to get my phone from my pocket or my iPad from another room.
No, I'm not about to talk to some robot. Either I communicate with a real human being, either I take my device, and press a few buttons. Tech is not alive, and is nowhere near close enough to simulate this. I can't just have a device at home and say "Okay Google, play this playlist" and it replies in the most emotionless way possible. If I'm talking to someone, it's either a human, or a proper human simulation. It feels much more natural to touch the screen to activate what I want.
 
No no you don't understand. What is Google Home or Amazon Echo? Is it really something that needs serious innovation like MP3s and cell phones needed? Not at all. Apple will just copy paste, get Siri and iPhones to work with it, and that's it. They've been doing that for a while now, and it never worked well.

No, I'm not about to talk to some robot. Either I communicate with a real human being, either I take my device, and press a few buttons. Tech is not alive, and is nowhere near close enough to simulate this. I can't just have a device at home and say "Okay Google, play this playlist" and it replies in the most emotionless way possible. If I'm talking to someone, it's either a human, or a proper human simulation. It feels much more natural to touch the screen to activate what I want.

erm, how 1950s of you :p personally, I get a kick out of the responses Cyril (I used the male british voice) gives me when I tell him what I want.
 
first of all, siri is stupid.. can't get anything right. second, it sounds like a freaking robot from 10 yrs ago. apple is a johnny-come-lately.
 
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And users have become "ME TOO" posters. Hey, if I throw a bit of generic Apple hate wherever possible, I'll get lots of lovely likes. For goodness' sake, look at when you joined this forum. I've got food in the freezer older than that.

I'm beginning to question if people are paid shills, trolls, or actually join this forum for a positive purpose. We're all entitled to be dissatisfied from time to time, but this is taking the proverbial.
Fortunately, I've found a nice litte button for that. Nice way to hide all the senseless haters. A lot of work though, lately.
 
Yeah, dialects and especially Flemish seems impossible as it changes substantially every 15 km's or so, maybe if it could learn on it's own.

Your'e in luck, the weather is fine today in Brugges, have a nice holiday.
 
Of course we need another pointless competitor because we don't have enough of the same exact things :rolleyes:

Yes we do.

we always need more competition in every field. Competition breeds innovation. if there are 100 companies doing exactly the same thing, We the consumer benefit two ways;

1> Price: If all the products are identical, then the companies need to compete on price. They will lower prices as they can to achieve better, faster, more efficient manufacturing, while in turn providing the products cheaper than their competition.

2> It breeds innovation: if all the products are 100% identical, and they cannot fight on price anymore because there's always a floor, they must continue to invent and innovate new things, and increase features. Again, another benefit for us, consumers as it means ever changing, and ever growing featuresets and products lines.

Competition is always good. it gives consumers choice.
The only people who think competition is bad are people who wish to monopolize a market for their own personal gain. And they can buzz right off
 
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I love my Echo. Alexa has skills to do so much!
I agree.

Personally, I think this is an obvious move from Apple. When they came out with Siri on the iPhone in 2011, they were at the beginning of the whole movement, so the fact that they are adding another piece to fill out the pie is logical. I would have been more surprised if they never added this type of device.

The fact that Amazon and Google have or are coming out with something similar is irrelevant. Neither tie into Apple's ecosystem as tightly. For example, you can't use iTunes or Apple Music with the other options. Opening up Siri to all developers could give it a leg up on the competition in certain areas. I am not saying I would buy one right out of the gate unless it could control Airplay devices by voice, but it is a market that I think Apple has to be in.
 
Well, it looks like most pros left Apple (and this forum) already. I fail to see how exactly your complaint is relevant to this particular discussion.
Try reading closer. I wasn't complaining. I was pointing out that others who complain haven't understood Apple for decades and probably shouldn't be here complaining.
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They all run on Android software in which the same widget is used on every phone to provide that functionality. The feature is put in the software by Google and not removed by the carriers and manufacturers. Every phone responds to "OK Google" if they have the Google search bar widget on their phone.
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I don't remember nearly the volume of comments about Apple's lack of quality software or hardware between 2007 and 2011. I think those who voice their opinions about how the software and hardware quality has gone down hill are dead on target.
I do. MobileMe, iPhone having not copy/paste, iPhone weak camera, app store full of fart apps, Macbook Air underpowered,iCloud syncing issues all occurred between 2007 and 2011. The volume of comments is higher now but that's because the marketshare and total amount of customers Apple has taken on has quadrupled since 2008.
 
Ugh, I hate to be so negative. But yep, it's a little too late.

Not to mention, Siri is just so tainted to me. It fails at everything from playing music to simple queries to understanding me when I'm speaking perfectly fine. I just wish the Echo wasn't on constant backorder.
I don't agree. Apple has a huge marketing force behind them. They don't have to be first, they have to be the most appealing to the market. The iPhone was not the first smartphone out there by a decade. However, when they did it right. The market came in droves. The same can still happen here.
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The article said Apple's been working on it since before the Echo was even released. As usual, Apple takes the time to get the product right and then releases it. When I tried an Echo, I was unimpressed. I hope to be impressed by another Apple product.
I had an Echo for a while and it was one of the few new tech items returned to the shipping under 30 days for a refund. While the voice recognition was well done, there wasn't enough individual configuration to make it feel like my own. It was too turn-key appliance like a toaster or a blender. With Apple TV and downloading apps, you make it your own.
 
Apple already has a great voice assistant device: iPhone with 'Hey Siri'. The best thing they could do here is massively improve Siri's voice recognition and computation. The worst thing they could do is release a stand-alone device. The only thing worse would be if they integrate it into only Apple TV.
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Best iPhone design they have was the 4. But this is all very subjective.

Great? What is Siri great at? Setting at a timer?
 
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