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Apple Working on AR/VR Headset With 8K Displays and No Smartphone or Computer Tether
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Very much disagree. They are trying to disrupt already popular technology and trying to do it the Apple way. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they succeed.
Nothing new to see here.
There are so many uninformed people in this thread that are disregarding everything you and several others have pointed out. Current GPU's can barely keep up at 60fps @4k on a SINGLE display, more or less 8K x 2. The bandwidth that this would require would be INSANE, not to mention over wireless?!
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The GPU's Apple use are so laughable. They don't even offer mid-high tier stuff, and to make matters worse, the cards they DO use, are gimped out of the box and downclocked. Apple hardware is a joke.
Your eyes can see about 3Mpx at the same time. The headset will see where you are looking at. 1M per eye is the sharp vision, about 1˚ of field of vision. The rest of the field of vision needs about 0.5Mpx per eye. Then you also save bandwidth with refreshing only those parts of display that needs it. It might result about same bandwidth that driving a normal 4k display. Nevertheless that needs too much power for untethered light weight headset for at least few years from now...There are so many uninformed people in this thread that are disregarding everything you and several others have pointed out. Current GPU's can barely keep up at 60fps @4k on a SINGLE display, more or less 8K x 2. The bandwidth that this would require would be INSANE, not to mention over wireless?!
Honest request, no snark, but can you explain more? I don't own a modern MBP, but looking at the tech specs for the 15" MBP, it clearly states it can handle two 5K displays at 60fps. What are we missing?
The question here of course lies in how much 3d gfx the gpu can handle, not just drive pixels to show 2d image. Ever tried to play any ed games like fps with 4k display?
I’d guess the idea is to compute a lot in wired box which is wirelessly connected to headset.
Displaying a simple 2d image, as @toke lahti said, is not that hard to do, even on older GPU's. But when it comes to gaming and anything that uses moderate usage of the GPU, anything Apple will fall flat compared to any modern PC hardware as far as pricing goes. They have thermal throttling, on top of the already gimped GPU's in their lineup.
Got it. The cards in new Macs are fine for 2D graphics, but less than adequate for handling 3D graphics/5K gaming. Domo arigato.
I don't want you to think I am saying the MBP is a potato, cause it can still do basic editing and all. But when it comes to anything that is somewhat intensive, it will not be that great of an experience, compared to something in its price range. So if you are set on Mac OS, get it. If you are open to other options, there are several options that will give you a run for the money.
And, because Apple doesn’t want to sell you a mac, where you could just throw in a powerful gpu, you can get an eGPU now. Just more money...
@Regime2008, @toke lahti: Thanks and I understand.
And while graphics is important, my decision to stay Mac is based on several other criteria, one being my preference for macOS over Windows. I'm more thinking along the lines of instead of going all out on a new Mac, to instead purchase a moderately configured 13" MBP for normal day-to-day work, and having the option for a custom built PC streaming solution for if/when I decide I need to do something more intense.
And while graphics is important, my decision to stay Mac is based on several other criteria, one being my preference for macOS over Windows. I'm more thinking along the lines of instead of going all out on a new Mac, to instead purchase a moderately configured 13" MBP for normal day-to-day work, and having the option for a custom built PC streaming solution for if/when I decide I need to do something more intense.
I'm honestly confused by how difficult this seems to be to people - while the iPhone X isn't a 4K screen, it is approaching 2.5-3k and how do games look on it? How does Fornite look on it? Now remember, this iPhone X GPU is targeted for mobile applications, a very limited TDP. Even if we didn't consider, this speculation would use a GPU two generations out, on a proposed manufacturing process half the size of today's chips - why couldn't Apple make a GPU that's 4x or 6x the size of their current one?
We've seen cost-breakdowns of the iPhone X, the CPU and GPU combined is something like $30 when at their production scale - just use common sense and rationale thought to work out how feasible this is, Jesus...
The iPhone X display isn't even 1440P like any other Android Flagship it has a resolution of 2436x1125 pixels, what about Fortine looking on it? The game isn't certainly demanding as it is on Xbox. The iPhone X doesn't have the best GPU either for a phone the Snapdragon 845 with Adreno 630 took the crown. As for Apple making a GPU that's 4x or 6x the size of their current one, they can but Apple strategy is like "If it work's like this, why make it better?" 3GB of RAM in their most expensive flagship is another example of this.
I believe this is the second time you've made the underlined claim, and previously you just linked me to a review that didn't state anything about Apple's GPU. Can you source this for me? I'm interesting in reading up on the differences.
I sent you a link with benchmarks so you can compare and here is another one.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sna...graphics-score-higher-than-Apple-A11_id102412
and so on...
Ah, thanks. I think the last time I scrolled through a review and my eyes glossed over before the graphs. Thanks for that!
Days?! Oh man, I'm so sorry. My issues stem from a (now removed) benign tumor on my left vestibular nerve. I can't do forward flips (for BJJ class), hang upside down for spinal traction, or ride facing backwards in a train or aircraft without getting very motion sick very quickly. But the motion sickness clears up in less than an hour. I'll remember your "days" comment the next time I complain. :-(
[doublepost=1526690864][/doublepost]OK, the latency figures I've run across suggests that 20ms is the max an app should have. It was also noted that some individuals are sensitive to latency as low as 3ms. The fact that Apple is talking about 60fps (instead of >90fps) and making no reference to latency is not encouraging.
nah dude. you have every right to complain! we all have our pains and history and nobody should make you feel like you should begrudge your own.
Hope you're doing well! that sounds like it would have been painful and difficult to recover from. hows' the spinal traction help upside down? what does it do and how does it help the back?
Actually, "removed" is an inaccurate description. The tumor was killed. It was zapped by proton radiation. No surgery. Proton radiation therapy is incredibly precise. I don't begin to understand the physics of it, but proton radiation therapy does little or no damage to tissue until the radiation encounters its intended target. I think I had 8 treatments. Getting me immobilized on the table and all the angles right each time took much longer than the treatment. The latter was just a couple of minutes, if I remember correctly. Most of the fellow patients I would chat with in the waiting room were actually prostate cancer patients. Assuming their cancer was caught early enough and hadn't spread elsewhere, proton treatment allowed them a nonsurgical option that would not cause incontinence nor end their sex lives. I was lucky enough to live 12 miles from what, at the time, was 1 of 6 proton centers here in the States. That was 13 years ago. The only downside for me is the afore mentioned motion sickness in certain situations. That, and the fact that I slept 18 hours a day for a month not long after the completion of the treatment which was a normal short term occurrence.
Do i have to list the numerous other devices for which this question was asked and which failed utterly in the marketplace?
I still don’t know the point of my smart watch, other than to let me glance at texts and emails in a meeting or in a movie theater.