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Apple hard at work innovating on features nobody asked for. Which will make the phone worse. Just like temporal dithering.
 
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But I’m guessing less waterproof than a solid state button.
How much more waterproof are we needing at this point? iPhones can already survive a plunge into a swimming pool with no issue except waiting a while for the charging hole to dry out.

If someone is planning a lot more than that, they probably should be using some kind of special housing.
 
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I guess those who say “nobody asks for this” will be happy to go back to diving-board trackpads, since nobody asked for force-touch trackpads.
 
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Capacitive home button:
iPhone 7 and 7 Plus
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus
iPhone SE 2020
iPhone SE 2022

They introduced it in 2016 with the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus but got obsolete quickly when they introduced the no home button iPhone X in 2017.

Now they are going to make the rest of the buttons capacitive.
 
I guess those who say “nobody asks for this” will be happy to go back to diving-board trackpads, since nobody asked for force-touch trackpads.
I hugely prefer mice over trackpads, and would hate solid-state buttons on those. I’ll also predict that we won’t see solid-state buttons as main buttons on game controllers or TV remotes.
 
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You really think everyone at Apple is that stupid?
They'll either leave the on/off button alone, or they'll find a way around this issue.
Don't you worry.
The On/Off button already no longer works for that purpose on iPad 11 (A16) and iPad mini (A17 Pro): you can hold the button down all day and never get the option to shut off the thing.
 
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The On/Off button already no longer works for that purpose on iPad 11 (A16) and iPad mini (A17 Pro): you can hold the button down all day and never get the option to shut off the thing.
So... there is no way to turn them off whatsoever?
If there is... then that's what I'm referring to when I said that they find ways around.
 
You have to press a volume button in addition: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102642

This is probably implemented in the chipset firmware.
This is good info, and I’ve bookmarked it. Thanks.

But this is for a forced reboot, right? It’s not to just turn off your iPad. For that, it seems the only option is in Control Center now (another silent change that Apple made, which is a bit annoying to me).
 
This is good info, and I’ve bookmarked it. Thanks.

But this is for a forced reboot, right? It’s not to just turn off your iPad. For that, it seems the only option is in Control Center now (another silent change that Apple made, which is a bit annoying to me).
This subthread began by someone asking how it would work when the iPad freezes, so that’s what I addressed. When the iPad isn’t frozen, the method is slightly different (and arguably simpler): https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/turn-ipad-on-or-off-ipad63d30b5a/ipados
 
This subthread began by someone asking how it would work when the iPad freezes, so that’s what I addressed. When the iPad isn’t frozen, the method is slightly different (and arguably simpler): https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/turn-ipad-on-or-off-ipad63d30b5a/ipados
Thank you!

I still have a beef with Apple about this, though. The one button worked just fine for power-on/off, so it is/was dumb to change it silently (no, I don’t think a web page buried some place qualifies as sufficient notice for changing the way that you do a thing after years). 🤷‍♂️
 
Thank you!

I still have a beef with Apple about this, though. The one button worked just fine for power-on/off, so it is/was dumb to change it silently (no, I don’t think a web page buried some place qualifies as sufficient notice for changing the way that you do a thing after years). 🤷‍♂️
On Face ID models, due to the lack of Home button, Siri is activated by a long press of the power button. That’s why they had to change it. Siri is more important to Apple than shutdown. ;)
 
I guess those who say “nobody asks for this” will be happy to go back to diving-board trackpads, since nobody asked for force-touch trackpads.
Yes, I'd be happy to. Actually, I'm using a machine that has one of those. I almost never have to click, since most of my work is done by tapping (both left and right click can be handled with tapping one finger or two). Only time I use the click is when I'm drawing something and need to "hold the button".
 
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There's "reduced mechanical wear" on the button but it's just transferred to the haptic engine which is itself mechanical. What is gained really?
You're not wrong, but is the wear and tear really a problem? You'll likely be getting a new iPhone long before the haptic engine wears out. The Magic Trackpad is all haptics. They get clicked on thousands of times a day...probably much more than the buttons on your iPhone would get clicked, and I've never heard anyone say their trackpad doesn't click anymore due to a worn-out haptic engine.

What happens when the OS freezes. Oops good luck shutting off your phone
Same way the buttons work today. They go through a processor/controller that's separate from the main processor the OS is running on. That way, they still remain functional when the OS is locked up. It's not like it's a physical switch that disconnects the battery.
 
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Think this will be on the 20th anniversary one and the other models will get it soon after.
 
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There's "reduced mechanical wear" on the button but it's just transferred to the haptic engine which is itself mechanical. What is gained really?
For one thing no gunk making the button stick, I got something, no idea what, in the volume buttons on my ipad years ago and they’ve had a tendency to be hard to press ever since, no amount of cleaning has fixed it

Also the haptic engine’s motor is sealed in and lot more reliable than the mechanism on a human pushed button. I used to see the old trackpads on macs and home buttons on phones fail for mechanical reasons often, since they switched to solid trackpads/buttons with haptic feedback that seems to have mostly vanished as a problem.

On that note I used to occasionally have to adjust the tension on the trackpad on my old laptops to get the feel of the click right and it could drift, with solid trackpads and haptic feedback that’s adjustable from the control panel, no taking apart machines required, on the new phones you might be able to adjust the “click” on the buttons to your liking
 
How much more waterproof are we needing at this point? iPhones can already survive a plunge into a swimming pool with no issue except waiting a while for the charging hole to dry out.

If someone is planning a lot more than that, they probably should be using some kind of special housing.
Just a guess in my part. But more water resistance is better than less.
 
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