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Unless the new Mac Pro is going to be fully customizable like a PC, with lots of room for expansion, great airflow for heat management, and no proprietary part nonsense, all of this will be for nothing.
Which I expect it will be. Hackintoshes will out sell Mac Pros in the future, as if they haven't been already.
Kook will bone this to, like he did the MacBook Pro.


Trust me. Tim is going to mess this one up too.
 
And. A LOT more power. With most of pc gamers getting away from expensive and time consuming self built computers this is a perfect time to build a great gaming laptop that is at a good price (1,500 ish) that competes with the Razer Blade pro with a severe price difference


Who buys a Macbook / Macbook Pro for gaming?
 
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PREDICTION:

The 2018 MacBook "Pro" update will be proclaimed "the thinnest MB EVER!" It'll be reduced to only one "awesome, best ever" port for "ultimate connectivity", cuz that's all you need. The keyboard will be removed in favor of five rows of Touch Bars, so can get to your favorite emoji quicker. For only $599 more you can customize it with the "sophisticated mauve" finish, so people at the coffee shop will think you're super hip.

Anyone who scoffs at this "Pro" machine will be mocked by the fanboys as behind the times and "it's time to look forward" and "Gee, how about a floppy drive with that! Yuk yuk yuk."
 
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True, but how about being realistic. A 13' MBP starts with 128GB. Minus the 30-40 the OS takes up your left with 100 GB or so. Then, how about I rent and iTunes movie in HD...another 6-7 GB. Wait, I have my Photos on here as well (mine are currently about 100GB).

What do I do? Another $200 to bring it up to 256GB, or another $400 to 512GB? Last thing I need to do is spend about $1700 on a 13-inch computer and still be dependent on the Cloud.

And I'm not even a "professional". I just like having my stuff on my computer and turning it on without dongles and externals and other BS peripherals.

I'm on a 2008 MacBook still. 4GB, 240GB SSD. I can't justify spending that kind of money on a net gain of 4GB Memory and a loss of 112GB of storage. This thing still suits me fine.
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Well, that's pretty much what a Chromebook for $150 does.


This I agree with. I understand in the current cloud computing era, the need for physical storage space has been greatly reduced. However, that doesn't mean you provide less at the same price-point. How do you provide 256gb space standard on the Macbook but 128gb on the Pro?

I have a new MBP with the 128gb drive because I felt spending the extra money on 16gb of ram was a wiser choice. It sucked I had to choose between the two.
 
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It’d make sense to run macOS entirely on a custom ARM chip, leaving the Intel chip for applications, completely sandboxed from the OS. The operating system would operate smoothly 100% of the time, regardless of applications’ CPU load.

One physical CPU for the OS, another different physical CPU for the applications... This reminds me a bit about the way the Amiga was setup with different co-processors for graphics and audio.

If that's Apple's plans, then a low-power quad-core x86 CPU suddenly makes a lot of sense.
 
This I agree with. I understand in the current cloud computing era, the need for physical storage space has been greatly reduced. However, that doesn't mean you provide less at the same price-point. How do you provide 256gb space standard on the Macbook but 128gb on the Pro?

I have a new MBP with the 128gb drive because I felt spending the extra money on 16gb of ram was a wiser choice. It sucked I had to choose between the two.
Wise. Unless get 512 or 1tb then still not enough. Better to just use external hard drive.
 
Using the term modular makes it sound like Apples going to sell me a piece of hardware that is only upgradable via purchasing (probably expensive) proprietary components from them directly.

Am I alone in this line of thought?

No, you are not alone. I fully expect this kind of nonsense from Tim Cook's Apple. The proprietary coprocessor is also a means to block the Hackintosh pressure relief valve for high-end customers Apple's currently frustrating with three-year refresh cycles.
 
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This may end the hacks....

Unlikely for a while since MacOS still needs to support a considerable amount of hardware for a few years yet that doesn't have a co processor. I still think they will move Macs to their own ARM processors within the next five years anyway though and Hacks will probably start to die out after that.
 
It's no excuse. If you decide not to buy a hamburger at McDonald's because you don't like the buns, you're still not allowed to go in the kitchen and steal the patties! o_O
Of course the obvious solution to this would be for Apple not to have the macOS platform closed down so it can run on other Hardware rather than just Macs.
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Unlikely for a while since MacOS still needs to support a considerable amount of hardware for a few years yet that doesn't have a co processor. I still think they will move Macs to their own ARM processors within the next five years anyway though and Hacks will probably start to die out after that.
I wouldn't bet on it. Remember how brutally Apple stopped using PPC chips and that was when Steve Jobs was at the helm. At least there was a valid argument for switching to Intel.
With Tim Cook at the helm Apple do not care about the consumer any longer. It's all about MONEY.
 
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It's no excuse. If you decide not to buy a hamburger at McDonald's because you don't like the buns, you're still not allowed to go in the kitchen and steal the patties! o_O
Here is what I would consider a bonafide argument to go Hackintosh. OS X 10.9 Mavericks and OS X 10.10 Yosemite running on an iMac G5

Now the reason I say this is the consumer has clearly already paid a considerable amount of money for the Hardware. It was Apple who pulled PPC support not long after the release of the iMac G5 so if he wanted to run a later release than OS X 10.5 Leopard it would require purchasing a new Mac which is WRONG.
 
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Of course the obvious solution to this would be for Apple not to have the macOS platform closed down so it can run on other Hardware rather than just Macs.
It's their product so it's their decision to take. If you don't like it don't buy it. To stay with my burger example, if you don't like the buns and McDonald's doesn't sell frozen patties so you can make your own burgers, it's still no excuse to steal the patties in the kitchen.

Here is what I would consider a bonafide argument to go Hackintosh. OS X 10.9 Mavericks and OS X 10.10 Yosemite running on an iMac G5

Now the reason I say this is the consumer has clearly already paid a considerable amount of money for the Hardware. It was Apple who pulled PPC support not long after the release of the iMac G5 so if he wanted to run a later release than OS X 10.5 Leopard it would require purchasing a new Mac which is WRONG.
There is no argument to make, they make a product and they sell it at the price they want, however they want, support it for how long they want etc. It is all about money. But in the end, the customer has a choice to buy or not to buy.

If you decide to steal the product, fine, I'm not the Apple police. Just don't try to justify it!
 
Anyone else feeling like Tallahassee looking for Twinkies when there's no news on a Mac Mini?
For us, it's a bit egregious (the update cycle), but my company just bought like 12 of these with SSD's as our company switched over to MacOS and regular workers think they are the most modern, fastest, sleekest, well functioning computer they've ever used.
 
It's their product so it's their decision to take. If you don't like it don't buy it. To stay with my burger example, if you don't like the buns and McDonald's doesn't sell frozen patties so you can make your own burgers, it's still no excuse to steal the patties in the kitchen.


There is no argument to make, they make a product and they sell it at the price they want, however they want, support it for how long they want etc. It is all about money. But in the end, the customer has a choice to buy or not to buy.

If you decide to steal the product, fine, I'm not the Apple police. Just don't try to justify it!
I respectfully disagree. The consumer bought the product and should expect it to be supported for a reasonable period of time.

The iMac G5 was released in the August of 2004 and the use of PPC architecture was scrapped entirely in the August of 2006.

This meant the iMac G5 had a mere two years of useful support and the base line model would have cost the consumer $1299 USD.
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_g5_1.9_17.html

Is there any other company out there that would get away with such a practice I don't think so.

It's like buying a car and being told two years down the line they no longer manufacture spare parts for that model.

So yes in this case there is a bonafide Hackintosh argument as the consumer wants the machine to perform the duties for which it was intended whilst being able to run up to date software which Apple without prior warning had plans to scrap the use of PPC architecture prior the release of the iMac G5.
 
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Trust me. Tim is going to mess this one up too.
it's not messing up.

tim / apple wants to be in control of what one can change about their product.
that's been a fact for quite some time now.
 
I respectfully disagree. The consumer bought the product and should expect it to be supported for a reasonable period of time.

The iMac G5 was released in the August of 2004 and the use of PPC architecture was scrapped entirely in the August of 2006.

This meant the iMac G5 had a mere two years of useful support and the base line model would have cost the consumer $1299 USD.
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_g5_1.9_17.html

Is there any other company out there that would get away with such a practice I don't think so.

It's like buying a car and being told two years down the line they no longer manufacture spare parts for that model.

So yes in this case there is a bonafide Hackintosh argument as the consumer wants the machine to perform the duties for which it was intended whilst being able to run up to date software which Apple without prior warning had plans to scrap the use of PPC architecture prior the release of the iMac G5.

It's really a shame the mainstream PPC era came to an end. This was one of the three things that made Macs special. A PPC CPU, MacOS/OS X and the build quality & design. When the Xbox 360 launched it was a powerful console in part to its custom triple-core PPC CPU made by IBM. Custom chips also made consoles special. Now that they're basically using really cheap APUs, it's no wonder PC gaming has taken off like it has.
 
Waiting for a new decent mini (couple of, actually) and/or pro machines. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. No shred of rumour anywhere pointing at something that will release anytime 'soon'. It's been a year since Apple management made some noises about the screenless desktops. Just hoping the current hardware will keep working until the news stuff *finally* arrives as buying the current mini/pro is definitely a poor option.
 
I'd dearly love a mini or a pro that lets me update the GPU a few times over the core machine's life. For NN and simulation software (not mining).
 
Mac Mini upgrade please! I have a PC with a desktop full of peripherals. Let me share those with a Mini!!!
 
Don’t see them bringing a notch to the Mac line. The notch is a branding thing on the phone to save it from being a plain rectangle in its post-button life. Macs don’t share the same silhouette identity crisis that caused the notch.
 
Might be a bit off topic, but am I the only one that is a bit scared of the idea of a "Modular" Mac Pro? Using the term modular makes it sound like Apples going to sell me a piece of hardware that is only upgradable via purchasing (probably expensive) proprietary components from them directly. What I really want is an updated version of the cheese grater with support for multiple processors, high wattage psu, and the latest off the shelf gpu. The fans can even be as loud as a 787 taking off if need be. I basically want an upgradable high end PC running macOS with Apple's support.

Am I alone in this line of thought?
Probably not, but I'm not with you on the fan noise. If I need to work with a computer for extended periods (and why buy a powerful machine if that is not the case) I want it to be perfectly silent. I never will go back to the 'wind tunnel' G4/G5 days which were unusable for me. I actually downgraded then to a Cube so I could work slower but without getting health issues just from the noise.
 
Might be a bit off topic, but am I the only one that is a bit scared of the idea of a "Modular" Mac Pro? Using the term modular makes it sound like Apples going to sell me a piece of hardware that is only upgradable via purchasing (probably expensive) proprietary components from them directly. What I really want is an updated version of the cheese grater with support for multiple processors, high wattage psu, and the latest off the shelf gpu. The fans can even be as loud as a 787 taking off if need be. I basically want an upgradable high end PC running macOS with Apple's support.

Am I alone in this line of thought?

Not alone at all, the language used about the upcoming Mac Pro has been very careful and deliberate.

John Gruber quoting Phil Schiller from the Mac Pro apology round table last April..

With regards to the Mac Pro, we are in the process of what we call “completely rethinking the Mac Pro”. We’re working on it. We have a team working hard on it right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high-throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers.

As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well.


The only thing that they commit to there is that a new Mac Pro and display coming. Looking at the "by definition a modular system" comment I think that merely means that it won't be an all in one like the iMac but rather a machine with separate display.

I would be amazed if they put something out that was user upgradable by design. The hope would be that in making a machine that can be updated regularly they leave some wiggle room for user upgrades.
 
They really need to put a bigger battery in the 15 inch. It lasts only over an hour when programming, building, testing and debugging. Those works are CPU intensive, and you can’t really cut short on CPU usage by optimizing.
 
They really need to put a bigger battery in the 15 inch. It lasts only over an hour when programming, building, testing and debugging. Those works are CPU intensive, and you can’t really cut short on CPU usage by optimizing.
Sounds about right; 45W CPU + dedicated GPU + display + etc with a 76Wh battery equals about an hour of run time.

Unfortunately, the largest size battery allowed on commercial flights is 100Wh, so even if Apple made the 15” MBP heavier and thicker (and more expensive) by maxing out the battery, you’re only gaining about 20 minutes of run time.

So you’d still be stuck with needing to be plugged in for sustained, max-performance requirements. :(
 
Just fix the crappy keyboards and invest more in MacOS. No need to be overly clever. Oh, and we don’t need laptops thinner anymore. Trading off battery life and keyboard action is taking things way too far, and again, no one cares at this point.

I don't think Ives has the capability to understand what you wrote. In his mind thinner is always better
(even though physically, he is thicker than he used to be).
 
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