Apple Working on Two New Mac Pro Desktops, One of Which Will Be Reminiscent of Power Mac G4 Cube

While I’m sure they’re always tinkering with new potential designs, I don’t think we’ll see these any time soon. The current MP is very young, design-wise, and they historically don’t update these designs that often, especially for something at its heart that’s so modular and flexible already.
 
While I’m sure they’re always tinkering with new potential designs, I don’t think we’ll see these any time soon. The current MP is very young, design-wise, and they historically don’t update these designs that often, especially for something at its heart that’s so modular and flexible already.

If Apple is keeping the current Mac Pro (2019 / Cheesegrater 2.0), just updating the internals with new CPUs & GPUs, that is nothing out of the ordinary...

For a new smaller Mac Pro / Cube, nothing wrong with that, a new product that CAN be smaller because the hardware within (Apple Silicon-powered) has a much lower thermal output than a Xeon CPU & Vega / 5700 XT GPUs...

And Apple has CLEARLY stated that they will be transitioning ALL Mac products over to Apple Silicon by the end of 2022...

So yeah, we will see both an updated Intel CPU / AMD GPU based Cheesegrater 2.0 Mac Pro AND an Apple Silicon-based smaller Mac Pro sometime this year (2021) or next (2022)...
 
I assume, no aftermarket RAM upgrading. It will be ECC but soldered. An M.2 type slot? M-A-Y-B-E. One or two PCI-E slots for specialized cards and support for a few graphics cards. My guesses anyway.
Though that would be all welcomed implementations, I’m really skeptical. Given what looks to be a “full autonomy” policy, I don’t expect support for any internal 3rd party hardware. Maybe Apple Card’s and storage options could be offered, coupled with the ability to run external 3rd party hardware (not very high hopes on last one). Curious to see what we’ll get.
Considering the praised performance of Apple’s silicon is hugely due to the SoC unified architecture, I also can’t see upgradable RAM being offered.
 
I just want new Apple monitors that don't cost an arm and a leg...!!!
Don’t we all? Maybe we’ll get a 27” 5k MiniLed Apple Display. It will cost an arm OR a leg, this will be granted. No ultrawides though.
 
I don’t care what you’re criticizing. The truth is you simply can’t get efficient cooling with modern Intel chips. Not unless you’re using bulky gaming notebooks.
That said with M1 you could get way better temps than any other Tiger Lake-U or even Ryzen-U laptops.

You cannot compare an M1 with any Intel chip.
It's not an accurate comparison.
Intel supports external memory with LPDDR, many more PCIe lanes, etc.
Those external interfaces are power hogs and require the heat to be dissipated.
Any comparison of M1 power to a chips that has external memory isn't accurate.
 
You cannot compare an M1 with any Intel chip.
It's not an accurate comparison.
Intel supports external memory with LPDDR, many more PCIe lanes, etc.
Those external interfaces are power hogs and require the heat to be dissipated.
Any comparison of M1 power to a chips that has external memory isn't accurate.
CPU to CPU yes, thermal capacity of a heat sink yes.
 
I don’t care what you’re criticizing. The truth is you simply can’t get efficient cooling with modern Intel chips. Not unless you’re using bulky gaming notebooks.
That said with M1 you could get way better temps than any other Tiger Lake-U or even Ryzen-U laptops.
You’re correct. I don’t want a notebook for heavy workloads. I want a reasonable desktop (floor-standing?) computer.
 
You’re correct. I don’t want a notebook for heavy workloads. I want a reasonable desktop (floor-standing?) computer.
lmao.

First you said "M1's thermal sucks" then when I pointed out you said "oh all laptop sucks."

What a way to dodge the question.
 
Sorry to hear you’re in this situation. It’s hard to find a buyer for such an expensive machine. I assume you’ve offered it on forums where smaller FX studio workers hang out?
Do you know of any such forums? I'm tried on avforums.co.uk but no one is biting.
 
If Apple is keeping the current Mac Pro (2019 / Cheesegrater 2.0), just updating the internals with new CPUs & GPUs, that is nothing out of the ordinary...

For a new smaller Mac Pro / Cube, nothing wrong with that, a new product that CAN be smaller because the hardware within (Apple Silicon-powered) has a much lower thermal output than a Xeon CPU & Vega / 5700 XT GPUs...

And Apple has CLEARLY stated that they will be transitioning ALL Mac products over to Apple Silicon by the end of 2022...

So yeah, we will see both an updated Intel CPU / AMD GPU based Cheesegrater 2.0 Mac Pro AND an Apple Silicon-based smaller Mac Pro sometime this year (2021) or next (2022)...
Right, but I guess what I’m getting at is that Cheesegrater 2.0 is relatively new (in the grand scheme of lifespans of Mac Pro designs). I can’t imagine them making major form-factor/design changes in the next 2-3 years. Sure, they’ll offer Apple Silicon versions, but I doubt it’ll be in a new form factor.
 
Right, but I guess what I’m getting at is that Cheesegrater 2.0 is relatively new (in the grand scheme of lifespans of Mac Pro designs). I can’t imagine them making major form-factor/design changes in the next 2-3 years. Sure, they’ll offer Apple Silicon versions, but I doubt it’ll be in a new form factor.

Which is why we are hearing of one last Intel / Xeon upgrade (which also means a new mobo, maybe they go with PCIe Gen4) for the existing Cheesegrater 2.0 chassis...

But that very same chassis is way too big for an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro, hence the rumors of a smaller (by a third) Cheesegrater 2.0 & rumors of a new Mac Cube (Pro or otherwise)...
 
Which is why we are hearing of one last Intel / Xeon upgrade (which also means a new mobo, maybe they go with PCIe Gen4) for the existing Cheesegrater 2.0 chassis...

But that very same chassis is way too big for an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro, hence the rumors of a smaller (by a third) Cheesegrater 2.0 & rumors of a new Mac Cube (Pro or otherwise)...
Agreed, but Apple should make a silicon upgrade option for those you invested heavily in such machines. Having extra space gives even more flexibility to make it happen, otherwise all argued future expansion and upgrade of the MacPro will go down the drain, and leave a nasty bitter taste on those who took the bite...
 
Do you know of any such forums? I'm tried on avforums.co.uk but no one is biting.
Been there myself. I would recommend you to contact authorized repair shops as some of them have regular professional customers who can use such machines. You can also check MacOS “friendly” AEC/3D rendering software users forums (such Keyshot; cinema4D; VectorWorks; Archicad; Rhino). I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful.
Best luck.
 
Agreed, but Apple should make a silicon upgrade option for those you invested heavily in such machines. Having extra space gives even more flexibility to make it happen, otherwise all argued future expansion and upgrade of the MacPro will go down the drain, and leave a nasty bitter taste on those who took the bite...
When one purchases, well, anything, there is zero guarantee that product is going to live forever...

By your logic, Apple should have provided endless upgrade options for all previous PowerMac / Mac Pro products...

The 2019 Cheesegrater 2.0 Mac Pro is not going to suddenly stop working when Apple Silicon-powered Mac Pro models come out...

And since any Apple Silicon-powered Mac Pro will undoubtedly use less power & require less cooling than power hungry Xeon CPUs & Radeon GPUs, no real need for such a large chassis...

Plus, Apple will save on material costs per item, and shipping will be a lower cost (for Apple) due to more products able to be shipped in the same amount of 3d space...?
 
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When one purchases, well, anything, there is zero guarantee that product is going to live forever...

By your logic, Apple should have provided endless upgrade options for all previous PowerMac / Mac Pro products...

The 2019 Cheesegrater 2.0 Mac Pro is not going to suddenly stop working when Apple Silicon-powered Mac Pro models come out...

And since any Apple Silicon-powered Mac Pro will undoubtedly use less power & require less cooling than power hungry Xeon CPUs & Radeon GPUs, no real need for such a large chassis...

Plus, Apple will save on material costs per item, and shipping will be a lower cost (for Apple) due to more products able to be shipped in the same amount of 3d space...?
Some of them live forever, they might not function anymore though:D
My logic is something else as I’ll elaborate further.
They will be prematurely outdated.

Given the time it took to present 2019 MacPro and the then touted upgradability which clearly conformed the design, and considering the price tag, I’m just saying it would be nice and smart from Apple to offer a silicon upgrade solution to those who made such a significant investment, considering this:
a) Design cycles of MacPro tend to last 6 years: 1st gen 2006-2013; 2nd gen 2013/2019; 3rd gen 2019/2025?
b) Average 8years cycle for a Mac to became considered obsolete by Apple;
c) June 2022 deadline for AS ARM transition.

So for current version, Apple has two choices: doesn’t do anything until a redesign or offers some update/upgrade options.
Given the redesign cycles, I believe they will opt for second choice. At this stage it would feel odd to offer Intel x84 solutions which would increase the lifetime of “dual ARM/x84)” versions of MacOS and consequently would compromise the “natural” obsolescence of Intel Macs.
Since the current built, being so “generous” and flexible, doesn’t prevent to get a new SoC in, this could be easily done.

However all this doesn’t mean excluding a new smaller chassis design.In fact I wish it happens soon, in the form of a new “cube” as some rumors suggest. If new affordable 27” 5K Apple Display also comes true, I believe the bundle would be catering a lot of needs and desires of the Mac people: those longing for an upgradable MacMini Pro; those wanting a more affordable MacPro Mini and I might add those wanting an iMac Pro refreshing.

All this would allow for a redesign of top of line MacPro within usual timeframe, while keeping transition deadline, and equally important without compromising or diminishing the distinctive upgradable architecture of the MacPro and I would add it’s durability, which helps to justify the heavy investment. Not p*****g off customers would be a bonus...
 
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Some of them live forever, they might not function anymore though:D
My logic is something else as I’ll elaborate further.
They will be prematurely outdated.

Given the time it took to present 2019 MacPro and the then touted upgradability which clearly conformed the design, and considering the price tag, I’m just saying it would be nice and smart from Apple to offer a silicon upgrade solution to those who made such a significant investment, considering this:
a) Design cycles of MacPro tend to last 6 years: 1st gen 2006-2013; 2nd gen 2013/2019; 3rd gen 2019/2025?
b) Average 8years cycle for a Mac to became considered obsolete by Apple;
c) June 2022 deadline for AS ARM transition.

So for current version, Apple has two choices: doesn’t do anything until a redesign or offers some update/upgrade options.
Given the redesign cycles, I believe they will opt for second choice. At this stage it would feel odd to offer Intel x84 solutions which would increase the lifetime of “dual ARM/x84)” versions of MacOS and consequently would compromise the “natural” obsolescence of Intel Macs.
Since the current built, being so “generous” and flexible, doesn’t prevent to get a new SoC in, this could be easily done.

However all this doesn’t mean excluding a new smaller chassis design.In fact I wish it happens soon, in the form of a new “cube” as some rumors suggest. If new affordable 27” 5K Apple Display also comes true, I believe the bundle would be catering a lot of needs and desires of the Mac people: those longing for an upgradable MacMini Pro; those wanting a more affordable MacPro Mini and I might add those wanting an iMac Pro refreshing.

All this would allow for a redesign of top of line MacPro within usual timeframe, while keeping transition deadline, and equally important without compromising or diminishing the distinctive upgradable architecture of the MacPro and I would add it’s durability, which helps to justify the heavy investment. Not p*****g off customers would be a bonus...

x86, not x84...

There is no upgrade Xeon available for the motherboard in the 2019 Mac Pro, so Apple would have to sell current users a new mobo & CPU; has Apple ever offered mobos for sale that were not part of a complete chassis unit (not counting the OG Apple)...?

Me personally, I want an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro Cube & a new TB4 monitor; 27" would be alright, but something in the 30" to 32"range would be better...!
 
But that very same chassis is way too big for an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro, hence the rumors of a smaller (by a third) Cheesegrater 2.0 & rumors of a new Mac Cube (Pro or otherwise)...
"Way too big for an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro" 🧐

But.... The point of the Mac Pro isn't to make something small, it's to have something modular with flexibility and expandability. The exception (trashcan Mac Pro) proved the rule by being the least successful form factor of the product line. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, mate. ;):)
 
"Way too big for an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro" 🧐

But.... The point of the Mac Pro isn't to make something small, it's to have something modular with flexibility and expandability. The exception (trashcan Mac Pro) proved the rule by being the least successful form factor of the product line. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, mate. ;):)

Never said it needs to be tiny like to Trashcan Mac Pro...

( ...lack of TB2 third-party items & the "thermal corner" the Trashcan painted itself into with the limited cooling available from the design & suitable upgrade components being too hot for the thermal envelope of the Trashcan, and the fact that no one was really taking advantage of the second GPU <the GPGPU> in the Trashcan; that is what killed the Trashcan...? )

Rumors have the smaller Cheesegrater 2.0 chassis as 1/3rd smaller, basically going from three front fans to two...

More than enough room for an Apple Silicon APU, and the PCIe slots might be cut down as well, because the Apple Silicon-based GPUs Apple will use in these new Mac Pro units will also be smaller due to lower cooling requirements...

Afterburner FPGA card might be incorporated into the new Apple Silicon Mac Pro chips; only thing left that might need PCIe slots are audio DSPs & I/O cards...?
 
Never said it needs to be tiny like to Trashcan Mac Pro...

( ...lack of TB2 third-party items & the "thermal corner" the Trashcan painted itself into with the limited cooling available from the design & suitable upgrade components being too hot for the thermal envelope of the Trashcan, and the fact that no one was really taking advantage of the second GPU <the GPGPU> in the Trashcan; that is what killed the Trashcan...? )

Rumors have the smaller Cheesegrater 2.0 chassis as 1/3rd smaller, basically going from three front fans to two...

More than enough room for an Apple Silicon APU, and the PCIe slots might be cut down as well, because the Apple Silicon-based GPUs Apple will use in these new Mac Pro units will also be smaller due to lower cooling requirements...

Afterburner FPGA card might be incorporated into the new Apple Silicon Mac Pro chips; only thing left that might need PCIe slots are audio DSPs & I/O cards...?
I wonder if add-on 'afterburner' style cards (presumably with system support to hand off work via Metal) might be how they keep the 'upgrade your GPU power after purchase' capability that currently works by upgrading/adding another GPU on a PCIe card.
 
x86, not x84...

There is no upgrade Xeon available for the motherboard in the 2019 Mac Pro, so Apple would have to sell current users a new mobo & CPU; has Apple ever offered mobos for sale that were not part of a complete chassis unit (not counting the OG Apple)...?

Me personally, I want an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro Cube & a new TB4 monitor; 27" would be alright, but something in the 30" to 32"range would be better...!
Thanks for correction.
All fair points. However they mean MacPro will be left to “dry in desert”. Not good IMHO.
Still think it would be great PR stunt for “lifestyle company” to directly compare performance of its silicon against the former partner, using the exact “same” (chassis) machine.

I’m no expert but as far as I understand, I’m assuming all future Apple silicon will be based in unified architecture SoC, so for any upgrade a mobo/CPU/GPU/RAM SoC will always be required, right? Also don’t think it would be so awkward to sell it under the “Mac Components” tab of Apple Store, where they already sell GPUs.

Considering the 200ppi mark, 30/32” would be within XDR territory...and not that affordable;) Hence I’m guessing more at iMac display. Personally would love a 8k 48” Display (with built in speakers, so could be used as TV set), but that would probably not be affordable by me...even considering any, more than usual, delusional arguments I might came up to justify it.
 
Because Professionals work in professional environments, where they can't just switch $100,000+ worth of hardware overnight to the latest trend, which isn't compatible with even half of their software.
Plus you won't get an M1X with a terabyte and a half of integrated memory.
 
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