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I've never had that happen and have personally never known that to happen to anyone. And that's with over 15 years in the industry.
Agreed. The worst that ever happened to me with a Firewire drive was turning on the drive with only the firewire cable connected, not the external power supply. It fried the firewire chipset on the drive, not the computer. Only every happened once. I learned my lesson. Yeah, I really do miss firewire . . . :(
 
Depending on your use cases, you can likely get by with a pair of Bluetooth headphones and maybe a Bluetooth car adapter if your car is older. I think in a couple years (maybe less) this really won't be a big deal. It's just Apple pulling the usual "okay, this standard is outdated. Move on or be left behind" approach that they've always done.

It's always just a matter of how quickly competitors follow their lead, granted, they went about this whole thing in a really poor way. They shouldn't have pulled the headphone jack until wireless charging was ready.
 
why not use usb-c for everything???? guess this would be to simple
Why does an iPhone need a high-speed peripherals port anyway? Unlike the Mac, its normal use cases do not include transferring enormous files or powering Thunderbolt 3 screens. With the iOS world already going wireless everything, my guess is we'll move straight from Lightining to an inductively charged iPhone with no ports.
 
As Ars Technica points out, the "Ultra Accessory Connector" is a new name for an existing port that's already used in digital cameras and other accessories.

Apple told Ars Technica that the port has been added to the Made for iPhone program at the request of licensees, not because it is trying to push accessory makers to adopt a new type of connector.

Similarly, sources told The Verge that Apple has no plans of replacing Lightning or using this port on any of its devices -- it will be used as "an intermediary in headphone cables."
So all those people touting USB and complaining about Apple's growing number of proprietary connection types turn out to have lost track of how many different types of incompatible USB connector there are out there and were inadvertently abusing Apple for opening support to a non-proprietary connection demanded by their accessory partners.

Great job all around...
 
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For the love of all that is holy - please no more new connectors. Just stick with USB-C for a while.

By the way... Here's an irony I've noticed recently. If you just bought the new Macbook Pro or the Retina Macbook consider that you will be able to plug into it just about any modern Android phone, because they use the USB-C connection, but you will not be able to plug into it your new iPhone 7.

Let that sink in... This is why Apple is losing me recently. Stop inventing new ways to sell dongles and focus on new iMacs, Mac Pros, Mini and do something about the decade old MBA.

I always laugh at the fact I can use my Apple made USB-C Digital AV Multiport and USB-C to USB-A adapters on my LG G5 yet I can't even use it on the latest iPhone.
 
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Man if they did USB-c the third party options would be limitless. They will never go for that.

Even more adapters. Incredible!
Enough is enough. This is getting beyond the ridiculous! Now I have to carry a dongle for my iPhone? I'm already carrying at least 4 dongles in my bags.
All those people that bought lightning headphones lol.
I'm curious if any bit of embarrassment seeps in when ya'll realize you didn't read to the end of the article...
 
Tim Cook will present the new connector with the words "we allways listen to our customers...that is why we now introduce UAC"
 
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Fragmentation. At present when you want a USB-C cable you buy one and you know it will work with all USB-C ports and devices. What you are recommending to save a few cents we should fragment it and now I will have to buy a 16pin USB-C cable vice a 24pin USB-C cable, thus adding more cost to manufacture two types of cables, add more pollution, more confusion, more warehouse space, etc. There is not a significant net result to just not include the default 24pin USB-C as a standard. If you believe you will save money, think again. Plus its easier to develop a controller chip with 24pin and deactivate them then to develop custom chips for either 16 or 24 pin. Why add to the confusion, keep it simple for the consumer market I though this was the reason for USB-C to begin with.

De-fragmentation sounds good in theory, but after spending over 40 years in tech fields... It just can't happen. You can't make technology stand still, or squeeze it into a limited number of standardized components. Sometimes one-size-fits-all works, sometimes it doesn't. It's normal to see standardization/de-fragmentation move forward in one quarter, while it's being discarded in another - the net effects tend to balance out.

It's to manufacturers benefit to be profitable/efficient. At times, that means standardizing, at other times, it means creating something new. There will always be dongles to bridge between older gear and newer gear, or gear from different makers. There will always be cables with different connectors at each end (often, just a dongle with a longer bit of cable).

Standards are money-savers when they're effective, but they can also prevent/inhibit innovation (anti-trust law applies to the standards-setting process, if you didn't know). I've yet to come across any piece of gear that can be made only with standardized parts - there's no product differentiation, and without product differentiation the benefits of competition are muted.

Over time, it's quite possible that a single chip will support both 16-pin and 24-pin connectors - it's just the way these things evolve - one chip manufacturer will see an opportunity to grab market share from another. Meantime, the "custom" chips already exist, so that "savings" ship has already sailed, the cost of R&D easily covered by the massive quantities of chips already produced.

I'm as sensitive to waste/pollution as the next guy. Folks in these discussions tend to focus on how many fewer spare cables they would need in an all-USB-C world. What really matters is how many cables fail over the life of the equipment. Every new piece of gear comes with a cable, so for "cable #1" all that matters is resource efficiency - a manufacturer who needs only an 8-pin cable isn't likely to choose a 24-pin cable. As to the replacement cables (since all cables fail)... You may only need one replacement (of each type) in inventory at any given time, because they don't all fail at the same time. But if, on average, every cable has to be replaced once, then total consumption is all that matters. This is no different than replacing light bulbs. Keeping a spare 60 watt bulb in the closet doesn't mean you'll only need one 60 watt bulb for the rest of your life. (All other things being equal, I have no reason to think that a 24-pin/12-conductor USB-C cable will be any more durable than an 8-pin/8-conductor UHC cable.)

I spent a lot of time in pro audio. Ever wonder why there were "standard" 1/4" phone plugs and "standard" RCA connectors existing side by side for many decades, often in the same gear? Simple enough. Phone plugs/jacks were engineered for frequent insertion/removal cycles (by the phone company, for switchboards). RCA plugs/jacks were designed for infrequent insertion/removal cycles and far lower manufacturing costs (setup your Hi-Fi system, then not make changes for months or years afterwards). In consumer gear, that usually meant one relatively expensive 1/4" jack for headphones, while cheap RCAs were used for almost everything else.
 
De-fragmentation sounds good in theory, but after spending over 40 years in tech fields... It just can't happen. You can't make technology stand still, or squeeze it into a limited number of standardized components. Sometimes one-size-fits-all works, sometimes it doesn't. It's normal to see standardization/de-fragmentation move forward in one quarter, while it's being discarded in another - the net effects tend to balance out.

It's to manufacturers benefit to be profitable/efficient. At times, that means standardizing, at other times, it means creating something new. There will always be dongles to bridge between older gear and newer gear, or gear from different makers. There will always be cables with different connectors at each end (often, just a dongle with a longer bit of cable).

Standards are money-savers when they're effective, but they can also prevent/inhibit innovation (anti-trust law applies to the standards-setting process, if you didn't know). I've yet to come across any piece of gear that can be made only with standardized parts - there's no product differentiation, and without product differentiation the benefits of competition are muted.

Over time, it's quite possible that a single chip will support both 16-pin and 24-pin connectors - it's just the way these things evolve - one chip manufacturer will see an opportunity to grab market share from another. Meantime, the "custom" chips already exist, so that "savings" ship has already sailed, the cost of R&D easily covered by the massive quantities of chips already produced.

I'm as sensitive to waste/pollution as the next guy. Folks in these discussions tend to focus on how many fewer spare cables they would need in an all-USB-C world. What really matters is how many cables fail over the life of the equipment. Every new piece of gear comes with a cable, so for "cable #1" all that matters is resource efficiency - a manufacturer who needs only an 8-pin cable isn't likely to choose a 24-pin cable. As to the replacement cables (since all cables fail)... You may only need one replacement (of each type) in inventory at any given time, because they don't all fail at the same time. But if, on average, every cable has to be replaced once, then total consumption is all that matters. This is no different than replacing light bulbs. Keeping a spare 60 watt bulb in the closet doesn't mean you'll only need one 60 watt bulb for the rest of your life. (All other things being equal, I have no reason to think that a 24-pin/12-conductor USB-C cable will be any more durable than an 8-pin/8-conductor UHC cable.)

I spent a lot of time in pro audio. Ever wonder why there were "standard" 1/4" phone plugs and "standard" RCA connectors existing side by side for many decades, often in the same gear? Simple enough. Phone plugs/jacks were engineered for frequent insertion/removal cycles (by the phone company, for switchboards). RCA plugs/jacks were designed for infrequent insertion/removal cycles and far lower manufacturing costs (setup your Hi-Fi system, then not make changes for months or years afterwards). In consumer gear, that usually meant one relatively expensive 1/4" jack for headphones, while cheap RCAs were used for almost everything else.
Not to over simplify the arguments you've made, but your standards discussion reminded me of this:

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Apple is becoming the Sony of old.
And the update to the story makes your comment completely inaccurate. Just sayin'...
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Apple knows how to stay unified. They just don't respect consumers. Vote with your wallet and don't buy their products.. watch how quickly they'll change their stance.
Except the stance everyone jumped to the conclusion they held wasn't true. Would have been helpful if outlets requested and waited for comment from Apple before proliferating the story.
 
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I'm as sensitive to waste/pollution as the next guy. Folks in these discussions tend to focus on how many fewer spare cables they would need in an all-USB-C world. What really matters is how many cables fail over the life of the equipment. Every new piece of gear comes with a cable, so for "cable #1" all that matters is resource efficiency - a manufacturer who needs only an 8-pin cable isn't likely to choose a 24-pin cable. As to the replacement cables (since all cables fail)... You may only need one replacement (of each type) in inventory at any given time, because they don't all fail at the same time. But if, on average, every cable has to be replaced once, then total consumption is all that matters. This is no different than replacing light bulbs. Keeping a spare 60 watt bulb in the closet doesn't mean you'll only need one 60 watt bulb for the rest of your life. (All other things being equal, I have no reason to think that a 24-pin/12-conductor USB-C cable will be any more durable than an 8-pin/8-conductor UHC cable.)

I spent a lot of time in pro audio. Ever wonder why there were "standard" 1/4" phone plugs and "standard" RCA connectors existing side by side for many decades, often in the same gear? Simple enough. Phone plugs/jacks were engineered for frequent insertion/removal cycles (by the phone company, for switchboards). RCA plugs/jacks were designed for infrequent insertion/removal cycles and far lower manufacturing costs (setup your Hi-Fi system, then not make changes for months or years afterwards). In consumer gear, that usually meant one relatively expensive 1/4" jack for headphones, while cheap RCAs were used for almost everything else.

Apologies for cutting your post down, saving some room on the response. :)

Oddly enough the only cable I have ever had fail on me in my lifetime is the Lightening cable (within 1 year warranty period). :eek::p

Lightbulbs I have had my LED lightbulbs for over 7 years, none have failed me yet (quality). :D

Those audio standards mainly felt with mobile jack/port standards, no one would expect an RCA cable to be affixed to an MP3 player, phone, etc. It did the job due to physical dimensions limitations, this is different from the present single port USB-C that omitting a few pins would shave mm. Compare that to audio mm jack to the two RCA plugs. Those 1/4 plugs were also ridiculous as those were on large audio receivers, again will not work for a mobile device. Besides people still believe they require the best audio equipment to reproduce sound as they can "hear it all." Majority of the people cannot hear past certain frequencies and those who can or believe they can may be imagining certain frequencies. It's okay if you have the money to burn on a perception, I say go for it. ;):D
 
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