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you fail to see the bigger picture of the unwanted attack vector you have forced on everyone
You fail to see that sideloading and alternative app stores exist today by way of (misuse) of developer certificates.
And Apple hasn't particularly good about combating it. The same attack vectors exist today.
 
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Awesome!

I’m looking forward to guides for how to set up my iPhone (in the US) to behave like a European one and permit sideloading.

Kind of obnoxious that Apple wants to force us to jump through a hoop like that, but I presume it’ll be easier/less risky than jailbreaking.

I wonder whether it’ll work with all iPhones that support iOS 17 or if they’ll require me to buy a newer iPhone (than my 8+.)
European iPhones have totally different LTE bands to US iPhones and not all of them are compatible
 
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Do I have a problem with the current app store being a closed system? No. But does Apple deserve a 30% cut and complete control for managing such an app store? Also no.
someone who has clearly never seen what it was like BEFORE the app store 70% was more likely, developers don't want to go backwards but it will happen you will be charged for everything and wish they had the old percentage back
 
Yes. I'm not a billion dollar tech corporation.
That said, they should rather focus their efforts on technically securing the OS.

Doesn't look like that.
You know that page just exactly proved my point, maybe you did not read it right

While the 700 MHz range in various bands has been the backbone of the U.S. 4G LTE coverage, in Europe and China carriers use different spectrum and bands, so phones from the United States may not work there.
 
You know that page just exactly proved my point, maybe you did not read it right
Your point was that they're (quote) "totally different".

The fact that both variants share the same 26 out of 29 (or 28 out of 31, depending on which most recent model of iPhone) bands. On quick comparison and glance, the US variant seems to support three more LTE bands. One of which is a designated public safety band in the US, while the other two don't seem widely deployed across US carriers. That proves your point wrong, doesn't it?
in Europe and China carriers use different spectrum and bands, so phones from the United States may not work there.
Since US iPhones support every LTE band that EU ones do (according to that page at Apple), why shouldn't they work in Europe?

I think it's great that iPhones are as international in their LTE band support 👍
 
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@I7guy:
I'm kind of wondering why you gave me thumbs-down on my two latest posts above?

- Would you prefer Apple not focus on their efforts to secure iOS?
- Do you think it's bad that iPhones can be used so well internationally and wish more model segregation?

Anything else I stated (in these last two posts) that you particularly disagree with?
 
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You fail to see that sideloading and alternative app stores exist today by way of (misuse) of developer certificates.
And Apple hasn't particularly good about combating it. The same attack vectors exist today.
I agree with this. However there are supposed to be controls around who gets the enterprise certification. Nothing is 100%. And this amounts to “sideloading” within the system.

Third party app stores that dont require any intervention from apple is where imo, the problems with malware, scamware will start to hit the ecosystem.
 
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I agree with this. However there are supposed to be controls around who gets the enterprise certification. Nothing is 100%. And this amounts to “sideloading” within the system.

Third party app stores that dont require any intervention from apple is where imo, the problems with malware, scamware will start to hit the ecosystem.

Yeah no scams on the app store..
 
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I hate that there are scam app on the App Store. It's gross.

But I don't think sideloading and alternative app stores will reduce the number of scam apps out in the world.

Perhaps the EU should force Apple to remove all scam apps from the App Store... instead of forcing them to allow sideloading and alternative app stores which will GUARANTEE that there will be more scam apps.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
People are scammed out of billions of dollars on Windows and that doesn’t affect Microsoft’s bottom line. In the same way, Apple will be fine, iOS will be fine, but their users are going to be heavily targeted the DAY this is available. :)
I mean this has been a thing even with their locked-down app store anyway. Not to mention this has been allowed on mac for a long time. It is just funny what mental acrobatics some will do to defend these huge companies like it is the end of the world if they add some choice into their OS.
 
I mean this has been a thing even with their locked-down app store anyway. Not to mention this has been allowed on mac for a long time. It is just funny what mental acrobatics some will do to defend these huge companies like it is the end of the world if they add some choice into their OS.
Except being a thing and not being a thing are not the only two choices. There is a whole continuum of being-a-thingdom in between. iOS having some scams and Windows creating a trillion dollar malware industry are very different things.

The mental gymnastics that some will do to justify forcing a company to be just like its competitors is not really all that funny. Especially when the most beneficiary of the change is the market leader.
 
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thats not how the world works, just because i own the land does not mean i can build what ever i want on it and use it for whatever i want
That's exactly how phones work in the EU.
The mental gymnastics that some will do to justify forcing a company to be just like its competitors is not really all that funny.
Except "forcing a company to be just like its competitors" in this case means allowing users to flick a switch and be able to control their devices. Though I must admit the enraged responses to this are quite amusing
 
Except "forcing a company to be just like its competitors" in this case means allowing users to flick a switch and be able to control their devices. Though I must admit the enraged responses to this are quite amusing
Sure, if you ignore all the consequences of that switch, as well as the benefits of not having it.
 
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Except being a thing and not being a thing are not the only two choices. There is a whole continuum of being-a-thingdom in between. iOS having some scams and Windows creating a trillion dollar malware industry are very different things.

The mental gymnastics that some will do to justify forcing a company to be just like its competitors is not really all that funny. Especially when the most beneficiary of the change is the market leader.
"Some scams" lol there are a ton of apps that apple continues to let on their store even after being brought to their attention they are scams. Still doesn't change the fact that there is already sideloading on mac and its security hasn't caused the mac to collapse (or destroyed Apple's precious profit margins).
 
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Honestly, as a power user, not having the switch has been a hindrance countless times.
I fully respect and acknowledge power users that would like the option for multiple app stores and/or sideloading. However, I see them as already having a solution on the market. I prefer the Apple solution and don't want the benefits of that solution to be diminished.
 
"Some scams" lol there are a ton of apps that apple continues to let on their store even after being brought to their attention they are scams.
Okay? I'm not sure how that changes what I said.

Still doesn't change the fact that there is already sideloading on mac and its security hasn't caused the mac to collapse (or destroyed Apple's precious profit margins).
Again, I have no idea what that has to do with what I said. Why would I care about Apple's profit margins?

And I've never claimed that the security of iOS would collapse. That's just another attempt to create a false dichotomy.
 
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I prefer the Apple solution and don't want the benefits of that solution to be diminished.
Luckily, as others have mentioned, you can simply stay in the walled garden.
[...] Why would I care about Apple's profit margins? And I've never claimed that the security of iOS would collapse. [...]
Then why do you care if users get a choice?
 
Luckily, as others have mentioned, you can simply stay in the walled garden.

Then why do you care if users get a choice?
You're asking the same question that gets asked and answered dozens of times in the threads on this topic.

Personally, my primary issues are developers that may choose to leave the App Store and piracy. For example, if Microsoft chooses to set up their own store, I will have to install their store for work reasons. So the choice to "simply stay" isn't that simple.
 
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