Apple Working to Transform HealthKit Into Diagnosis Tool Aided by New Apple Watch Apps


dtich

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This is such a ridiculous argument. I'm sure Apple will gladly sell you a second watch, but I've tracked sleep with my Apple watch nearly every night for almost a full year now. It's much easier than you would think. Because the battery is so small it charges super quickly. Charging starts to slow down once you start going above 80% so I usually keep my watch in the 40%-80% charge range (which actually is the ideal way to increase longevity of a battery), which usually equates to 40-50 minutes of charging daily. Either all at once or broken up into 2 bursts (getting ready in the morning and getting ready for bed). It's really not a bother for me personally.
thank you! lord a mercy.. +. 1.
 

whit2891

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This is a good direction. I am most excited about developments in the sleep analysis area. I am a bit surprised about the limited options a this point, but I'm sure it is due to an intense focus on getting it right before releasing an application. My Mi Band was as simple as "Did your arm move around when you sleep." It didn't take in heart rate, type of movement, etc. I'd go to the bathroom and it wouldn't even recognize that I got up. Is there any decent option yet?
 

sirdir

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What would you do if your car broke down?

You will survive until you get your replacement. But if this benefits even 1 person, it is worth it...

Applaud Apple for trying and where it is due... everything doesn't have to be negative.
Of course I know what to do about the broken watch, it's just frustrating...
But the concern about sleep tracking is my real point. A watch that needs to be charged every day is IMHO not suitable for sleep tracking. Except you have some real problems that you want to track. Because if you have to charge the watch during the day it'll miss some other data... that is more important to me than me sleep data. And of course it's also more complicated when you have to recharge the watch during the day.... you have to remember to do it etc.
 

Makosuke

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If this actually comes together and works reasonably well, it's probably the one thing that would get me to buy an Apple Watch (and wear it regularly).
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Don't know why people can't imagine to charge the AW's battery at other times than at night. But, maybe, they are having sex only at night also. :p
How is the watch supposed to calculate calories from sex if you take it off when you're going at it?

Makes me wonder--the Health app on the phone does in fact have a section (sexion?) for tracking sexual activity (under Reproductive Health). Will a version of the Watch (or a bed sensor) eventually be able to fill this data in for you automatically so you don't have to input manually?
 
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thekeyring

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Do I need a second watch then? Because my first one will be charging at night.
Or in repair when it's only a few days old (mic stopped working)
I would think the same thing, but a user here mentioned they charge their watch while they get ready for work, so they can wear it at night. Not having a Watch, I couldn't say how well this might work in practice.
 

BeardMan7

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How is the watch supposed to calculate calories from sex if you take it off when you're going at it?
Who is saying I take off my AW before I'm having sex? Some people can imagine to charge their AW's battery twice a day a short time about an hour each. Also some people can imagine having sex twice a day (short time or maybe longer, depends on several factors) and other people can imagine to have sex only at night (maybe twice or more times). The world is full of imagination, if people use one's imagination. :);)

The more sex, the more calories you've burnt, no AW calculation needed. :D

And that's all about because people complaining about they can't use their AW at night for sleep tracking. LOL :)
 
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dfs

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There are a couple of problems with putting the Watch's biometric capability to medical purposes. a.) The watchIt's ability to monitor biometrics is probably very limited. For ex., may be able to measure your pulse, but it's a real stretch to imagine it is or could be made to be sensitive enough to detect arrhythmias. b.) if Apple wanted to put the Watch to such purposes it would have to convince the FDA to certify it as a medical device. This might not be easy.
 

jimbobb24

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The usability of health kit went down with these stupid giant banners overwhelming your data taking up space with things rarely used. Apple takes so many backward steps lately.

Its too bad they never got the FDA to allow/or the accuracy needed for O2 sensing in the watch. That would be cool.

Otherwise based on what they are saying the most your watch is going to be able to diagnose you with is: you are out of shape. 99% of people who are out of shape already know that, big deal. It only has heart rate. There is not enough data to learn much here - but maybe in the future.
 
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StyxMaker

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I have to agree the Health app took a giant step backwards in regards to its user interface. With the dash board I could see all the information I wanted to see in one place and sorted into the order I wanted to see it. I could also keep it set to month view. Now the graphs open in week view no matter how many times I change it to month view. Another example of Apples relentless effort to remove customer choices.
 

StyxMaker

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I would think the same thing, but a user here mentioned they charge their watch while they get ready for work, so they can wear it at night. Not having a Watch, I couldn't say how well this might work in practice.

I put my watch on the charger an hour before I go to bed. It's good for the night and the next day. I'm not doing much during that time so there's really no exercise for it to record. The biggest problem I've had with sleep monitors is remembering to tell them when I go to bed and when I wake up. The Sleep Watch app solves this problem. It very accurately, for me, detects the time I go to sleep and the time I wake up.
 

exkeks

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I just recognized that I actually stopped using Health since iOS10. As they removed the month view dash board, Health has become useless for me. I can't compare my activity and weight history anymore. This is really annoying, as I had great results losing weight so far.
 
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Tech198

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If you drive for a while and your car gets too hot, it says pull over. If you need an oil change, it says check your oil. What's the equivalent for the body?

You get sick...

Seems like all of this "measuring" stuff is a bonus... but i have my own ways..... your body knows on its own and gives signs....
 

nofear1az

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"If you drive for a while and your car gets too hot, it says pull over. If you need an oil change, it says check your oil. What's the equivalent for the body?"

how did we survive all these centuries without technology?

Will our kids know how to take care of themselves and feed themselves without some form of gadget telling them to?! :p
 

Altis

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These people trying to spread updatofobia...

If you don't want things to change stay away from Apple, because they are coming for your zone of comfort, they will come and will take your DVD drive, your USB ports, your 3.5mm jack and your phone keys, and your money too.
Updates are great when they replace something with something better.

Apple (and iOS apps) often update and replace something we liked with something they like, and we don't like as much or it's too early to be convenient.

And with the Apple ecosystem, there's rarely a way back and often little heads up as to how things will change.

I've been burned so many times by updates that it now outweighs my desire to have the absolute latest... and don't forget, that was the whole reason I ended up on Macrumors to begin with -- to keep up with the hype of the new products and software.
 

Zirel

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Updates are great when they replace something with something better.

Apple (and iOS apps) often update and replace something we liked with something they like, and we don't like as much or it's too early to be convenient.

And with the Apple ecosystem, there's rarely a way back and often little heads up as to how things will change.

I've been burned so many times by updates that it now outweighs my desire to have the absolute latest... and don't forget, that was the whole reason I ended up on Macrumors to begin with -- to keep up with the hype of the new products and software.
And it's better.

If you don't like, well, there's something wrong with you, because there's no downside and it's prettier and better organised.

As I said, don't like updates? Get away from Apple. It's not for you.
 

exkeks

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If you don't like, well, there's something wrong with you, because there's no downside and it's prettier and better organised.
You might want to read the actual complains in this forum and elsewhere, before going ad hominem and uttering nonsense generalizations.

Health might be prettier. But for those who want to draw conclusions from this pile of data, e.g. the removal of the dashboard with monthly/weekly synopsis of specific data types is just annoying.
 
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Michael Anthony

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Well, with iOS 10, they managed to screw the "Health" app, extra taps, less visibility, that "upgrade" was a total fail on all fronts I can see; haven't gone to 10.12x yet.
 
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Sinfonist

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Please explain the "so awful"?

They maintained what they had, but better sectioned, put prettier graphics you can ignore, everything else, it's the same.
Rather than presenting all the information I need (and only that information) in one place, it is now in multiple sections (so I cannot see all the data easily at once). Rather than using the space on the dashboard for my information, they are using it for pretty pictures. That is not an improvement.
 
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