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forget the fact that traffic laws and regulations will probably not keep up with such full self-driving cards....

I don't think even Apple is remotely close to developing a 100% foolproof system. When I unboxed the iPhone 13 Pro Max and used it for a couple of hours, it crashed(locked up) on me at least 3 times.
 
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The notch on the windshield might be a problem


I just went back and looked at every car that I owned since 1997. Every single one of them had a "notch" in the top center of the windshield!!! So I guess I'm already prepared
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, without realizing it.
 
That's what Siri is for.

Hey Siri, I need to pick up a piece of furniture so I need you to back up 6 feet at a 124.4 degree angle.

Siri: Taking you to Fullerton, CA. *seatbelt automatically straps*

Hey Siri.

Siri: *silent*

Hey Siri

Siri: *silent*

HEY SIIIRRRIIII

Siri: How can I help you?

STOP THE CAR

Siri: Pulling up web information on "Stop the Car"
Brilliant and spot on! I have conversations like this with Siri every day!
 
Small minds think small. Comments like this remind me of what "primitive" people thought of the idea of Aeroplanes.
“Small minds think small”…ouch, ow, I have been pierced through the heart, how will I ever survive!?!? Does that also go for the other 78 people who liked or loved my post?

Your elitism is showing in the worst possible way, it’s not a good look for you.
 
As much as Siri makes me want to thru my iPhone out the damn window, I can't imagine EVER feeling comfortable enough to want to roll the dice with an Apple Car getting me from point A to point B without something screwing up. I'd have to be quite heavily doped up to ride in the vehicle without having a complete panic attack.
 
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Siri responding to me after I ask it to play Led Zeppelin 4: "There is no Led Zeppelin 4 on Apple Music."

That response alone is reason enough for me not to trust Apple software with the life of myself and my family.
 
I am thinking third party add on steering wheel and pedals. Like this Vertical Electric Simulation Steering wheel...

or this Racing Wheel, Pedals and shifter

Or maybe a keyboard and use the arrow keys to steer, speed up and slow down and then use the space bar to stop.

How about a joy stick.

or a theremin to gesture control.

Make them connect by NFC, Bluetooth, Wifi 6 or plug them in to a Thunderbold 4 port and Robert is the male sibling of your maternal figure.

Think different

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Martin Koob
 
“Small minds think small”…ouch, ow, I have been pierced through the heart, how will I ever survive!?!? Does that also go for the other 78 people who liked or loved my post?

Your elitism is showing in the worst possible way, it’s not a good look for you.
This is MacRoumors forum. In a grand scale of things the typical like/dislike behaviour here doesn't really mean you were wrong or right. Your comment on an unreleased technology/product (fully autonomous drive) that would be the obvious future of automobile with such a narrow mind and knowing nothing about it just yet is exactly what you would expect in this forum board and I don't really care how many likes or dislikes it gets. Happens without a failure every single time. iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, M1 Silicone ETC. People have the tendency to be fully opinionated and critical about things they know little to nothing. I prefer to wait and see before I can form an opinion.
 
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Did anyone here apart from me see Upload?
Says it all: the pros and the cons
 
Bloomberg, sorry. The only way this could work, many years down the road :) is if we embed systems in all the roads and all vehicles are connected to each other through this embedded " internet of the road".
Infrastructure week on steroids.

Ah, but that's not what they, or at least some of them are planning.

Back, years ago, there was a plan hatched in the bowels of Congress to gift the FAA flight management and monitoring tasks to a shell company, because, why not.

That shell company was going to launch satellites that would circle the globe, looking down on all the planes in flight that had their equipment on them. It sounded pretty interesting, except for reality. They wanted to dismantle the existing system. No backups, and researchers deemed this new system a problem because it could be compromised by any number of things, the least being solar flares. So their billion dollar gift would be perfect, if only the Sun would be kind enough to coordinate its tantrums with their system.

Imagine a HUGE Carrington level event that knocks out their system for weeks. There would be no planes flying, or not many, because the system deemed responsible for monitoring air travel would be either destrpoyed, or heavily compromised.

And there are plans to use GPS to provide support for autonomous cars. 'What could happen', people backing it wonder. Well, solar eruptions, satellite hacking, GPS blocking, software sideloaded updates, I can see that all falling apart.

Embedding wire in all the major highways sounds crazy, and is, actually, but might be the only way to effectively provide a reliable and efficient autonomous vehicle network for the country. Some have suggested using autonomous car carriers to load cars at one end, and unload them near the destination, rather than having each car being totally autonomous. It would make cross country travel faster and safer, and would be a massive boost for the transfer of goods too. Then only the interstates would have to be enhanced, and people could keep their 'dumb' cars for local travel. I kinda like that idea. It would be a great start to getting autonomous vehicles everywhere, if those carriers succeed.
 
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Physics, yes. No matter how much money you spend on a vehicle, physics can turn it into junk. A friend of a friend had his teenage son total his brand new pickup truck. He was wondering what a fitting punishment would be. I would think shackles in the basement, and bread and water until they hit 30 would seem to be appropriate. Some would think it cruel I suppose.

I think I was an outlier. I never thought of doing such stupid things as a kid when I got my license. Pain hurts... Having to replace something because of stupidity is stupid. I only drove a car to 100mph once, and swore speeding was just nuts. I did get to drive a NASCAR racer at an official track, and it was pretty awesome, but people still die in those things. I found some stickers that look like band-aids, that say 'STUPID HURTS'. Yes, yes it does...

I'd think that having to tell your dad that you destroyed his brand new truck would hurt too. Hopefully enough.
 
No wheel, no pedals, electric:

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1881, Berlin.

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1893, Milan.

No way I'll pay thousands of euros for a dumb piece of tech with the "gorgeous" battery's technology and a pletora of engineers that think what could I do with that, 40yrs of ICT are a good example of broken promises.
 
The perfect design was created years ago. AI, bullet proof, scratch proof, self drive, manual drive, boost control, turbo mode.

Don't mess with this design or you will go wrong.

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I believe it could also rotate its wheels 90º to drive sideways, allowing easy parking/unparking and getting out of traffic jams. I have no idea why this feature didn't take off with other manufacturers, it seems incredibly useful. I *might* be thinking of a different model though.
 
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Absolutely and completely ludicrous. Autonomous vehicles on the general roadways are a pipe dream and a pathological technology. That anyone believes it’s possible just proves how utterly brainwashed people are by the tech industry. Software constantly demonstrates itself to be unreliable and broken. Apple themselves are a particularly notable example of a company that refuses to properly test and debug, to an especially egregious level since 2013.
 
I believe it could also rotate its wheels 90º to drive sideways, allowing easy parking/unparking and getting out of traffic jams. I have no idea why this feature didn't take off with other manufacturers, it seems incredibly useful. I *might* be thinking of a different model though.

The turning wheels did make it to some trucks and mega-land-yachts. Those massive 'recreational vehicles'. Many NEED steerable rear wheels, so their inexperienced owners can get them into places they shouldn't. Didn't Cadillac have a rear wheel steering self-parking car at one point?

It's all too exotic for an industry that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to make major updates. (Until they found the profit margin on electric cars could be so high)
 
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There are two big obstacles to mass use of fully autonomous vehicles:
1. Sensor reliability
2. Software reliability

Maybe (2) can be solved with careful design practices, but (1) is going to be very difficult in places that aren't the southwest US. People don't want a car that refuses to drive in moderate snow. Now, V2I methods could overcome this, but it would require a massive infrastructure overhaul of all roads. That's not practical.

I have some hope that Apple will be better than Tesla on (2), but that's not saying much.
 
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I just went back and looked at every car that I owned since 1997. Every single one of them had a "notch" in the top center of the windshield!!! So I guess I'm already prepared
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, without realizing it.
I already can see people sitting on their engine hood trying to unlock their iCars dashboard display with FaceID.
 
It’s funny that everybody thinks this is real news. As I mentioned above, this is fake news concocted by Wall Street to try to pump the price of AAPL stock.

Nobody — and especially not Apple (who can’t even get Siri right) will be able to develop a fully autonomous vehicle, unless you put it on a rail and called it a train. ???
 
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I think no steering wheel doesn’t necessarily mean no steering control. May be it will be more like game control on a touch screen instead of a physical steering wheel. For example, you could be presenting an option to switch lane or turn and the car will handle the actual action for you automatically based on the real world sensor inputs.

Also on the timeline, 2025 probably will not be able to meet US regulation but may be they will have semi autonomous vehicles on their campus. All in all, I am a Tesla owner right now and I am excited to see apples offering. Really look forward to an App Store for cars so I can customize the driving/transportation environment to my liking.
 
There is no way on God’s green Earth that I am ever going to drive, much less own a car with no steering wheel and no pedals. Even Apple isn’t that good. Hard pass.
what about fly-by-wire? nicer cars don't have any mechanical connections. lotta Commercial jets don't either.
 
oh sure they can get it done by 2025. They have the technology.
But can they get it mass produced, on the road, not to mention regulated and approved by the governments by 2025?
I’m going to say no.
I don’t see a universe where the US government completely approves a driverless, wheel less and petalless vehicle in the next three-four years.
You are right. BMW applied for L3 ADAS and ran into indemnity issues. What we are talking about here is full on L5.

I'm not buying it.
Nvidia has their Orin platform for driverless.
MobilEye has their EQ platform and we are to believe that Apple has more in car miles that those platforms that are already in cars?

First the chip must have safety processors that are lock step. They will require more processing power than anything apple has made in a laptop or desktop processor to date.

They need support for a variety of redundant sensors and an AI platform for training. Nvidia showed what they had with Omniverse at their GTC conference last week. They demonstrated Level 3 hands off in a MBZ.

When Apple shows something then we can guage. Until then it's all vaporware.

And yes. I worked in automotive processor design and fault tolerant computing.
 
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