Apple's 2018 iPhone Lineup May Include Second-Generation iPhone SE

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  1. qawes macrumors 6502


    Jun 27, 2010

    Though, I have a bit of hope that this won't actually be the case, considering that this device will made in and marketed to the SE Asia, Indonesia, etc. markets.
  2. cardfan macrumors 65816

    Mar 23, 2012
    Yep, the SE was the fastest iphone released at the time.
  3. kotovasii macrumors member

    Jan 3, 2002
    Should *have* studied at school and learnt English grammar...
  4. H3LL5P4WN macrumors 65816


    Jun 19, 2010
    Pittsburgh PA
  5. Supermacguy macrumors 6502

    Jan 3, 2008
    Yes PLEASE! A new SE withOUT FaceID, OR has traditional TouchID BUTTON plus FaceID as a backup(?). EXACT same physical size and shape, exact same screen size including top/bottom black bezel areas. 256 GB memory option, new processor, updated camera. I always have a fat case so for me a camera bump would be acceptable, but I do not need dual cameras. I'm ambivalent about the headphone jack but I'd keep it if I had my preference.
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    Why? It works well, people like it, it works well for 1 handed operation or small hand people. Change for change sake is not an improvement. Give a good reason to change it and I'll consider your suggestion.
  6. Ballis macrumors 6502a

    May 27, 2008
    Oslo, Norway
    A11, Haptic touch Id 2.0, and 3D touch and ill bite. Unless it has all that, idk why Id upgrade my current SE. Its still fast an I love it.
  7. fathergll macrumors 65816

    Sep 3, 2014
    The ultimate will be a SE with edge to edge OLED.
  8. Smartass macrumors 65816

    Dec 18, 2012
    You want slate back? How bout some space gray? That color hasnt been used in a long time.
  9. PickUrPoison, Jan 3, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2018

    PickUrPoison macrumors 68020

    Sep 12, 2017
    Sunnyvale, CA
    Well, it’s not really mid-range, since Apple’s prices run from $349 to $1,149. It’s a $349 phone, that’s what it was when introduced and what the refresh will be (unless they drop the price again!).

    Re: Which CPU, in 2016 the SE got the A9/2GB because Apple knew that A8/1GB from the 6 (2014-era) would never get them through to a 2018 refresh. There’s a huge difference between A8/1GB and A9/2GB, just ask those trying to run an iPhone 6 on iOS 11. And people buying an SE today will want to run iOS 12/13 on that A9.

    A9/2GB also went into last year’s $329 iPad for similar reasons, but note they didn’t use the A10 in it, or do a CPU refresh to the SE last year either. In other words, Apple is fine with their lowest cost products being a CPU generation behind.

    So now for a 2018 refresh, A10 or A11? The X is a 2436x1125 display and needs the dual-core 600 billion ops per second neural network processor of the A11 for FaceID. But it’s overkill for the SE2 and has a ton of associated R&D cost. Being the newest chip, that cost hasn’t yet been amortized over very many units.

    So taking everything into account—yes price is very important but also fact that the A10 alternative is quite sufficient—leads those who like to make logical speculations toward a conclusion. Which is, the SE2 is probably going to have an A10.

    Could it have an A11? Sure. Apple could bite the bullet on cost, maybe figure it could be sold for 3 years instead of 2 (at which point it will likely be retired as a platform). The A11 uses TSMC’s 10nm process instead of the A10’s 16nm, so it’s more energy efficient. The neural processor, though not needed for FaceID, could still be used for other machine learning tasks. Price is really the only downside.

    But ultimately it’s a $349 phone (or lower; $329 or even $299 could happen), designed to be the best, most affordable iPhone Apple can make for the price. Though priced at the low end, the SE does attract a price-insensitive segment who want it because it’s small, and they surely would prefer the A11.

    The high margins of the iPhone X does give Apple some space to make a better, lower-priced version of the SE, and I for one hope it does have an A11. But if I were betting, I’d have to say A10.
  10. mikecorp Suspended


    Mar 20, 2008
    I did that on my ipad in 5 minutes.
  11. JPack macrumors 68030


    Mar 27, 2017
    That rumor doesn't pass the sanity test.

    The 6.1" LCD iPhone is $649-749.
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    If the SE form factor was so appealing, why haven't other manufacturers introduced a 4-inch premium model? Samsung is no dummy. Neither is Huawei. They could stick a Snapdragon 835 or Kirin 970 in a 4.5" chassis. Perhaps for most consumers, the appeal of SE is not the size, but rather the price?

    The display does cost a lot. I would argue it's also one of the most appealing features of a smartphone.

    If you want to look at history, consider Apple's iPhone product stack in March 2016 vs. today. You should also consider that consumer preferences may have changed.
  12. zeesix macrumors member


    Sep 15, 2012
    I don't know why others haven't created premium 4-inch models. There hasn't been a premium 4-inch phone since the 5s. I don't even remember that last premium <=4-inch android phone. Maybe the Nexus One.

    Making a smaller phone is generally more difficult since there is less room for the components. The recent focus has also been on how thin the phone is, which played into the larger form factor... thinner phone = less space, bigger phone = more space.

    You could argue that people want a smaller phone since the non-plus model outsells the plus model consistently. However, nothing is apples to apples. Do people buy the plus over the non-plus because of screen size or because it has a better camera? Do people buy the non-plus over the plus because of screen size or price? Nobody knows. I think what we can agree on is that people want the latest tech and they will buy whatever phone has that.
  13. RobbyIdol macrumors regular

    Mar 20, 2012
    I recently upgraded my 6 to a regular 8, neither were the Plus version by choice. I think the camera is fantastic in the Plus, but simply do not want a phone that large. I find it very difficult to hold casually as I prefer to interact one handed with my device as much as possible.

    I'm keeping my eye on the SE 2. If it maintains the classic 5 design with internals on par with the 8, I'll be swapping out phones on launch day.
  14. Zagor13 macrumors member

    Jan 25, 2016
    face id useless annoying; tried it on X useless and childish...need small phone don't like brick size heavy phones; need phone that can be used one-handed; make se even smaller by chipping away some bezel and it would be even mor perfect; hate these latest long elongated phones so unproportional heavy ugly can't fit in pocket and cannot use one handed....blah
  15. bluecoast macrumors 6502a

    Nov 7, 2017
    I wonder if it's going to have 3D Touch?

    I like 3D Touch, but I can't help thinking that it's the Touch Bar of the iPhone...

    I hope that it has the iPhone's 7 non physical home button though (less moving parts to go wrong).

    In the end, I suspect that it's simply going to look like a shrunken down iPhone 7 with practically the same components as that model (sans 3D Touch).
  16. 4odomi macrumors newbie


    Jan 19, 2018
    For me the XE size would be perfect, I've had an SE just a tad too small especially the keyboard, I have a 7 (Love it) however just a tad too big....4.5" is the perfect size with the X screen, I would upgrade instantly! The only reason I haven't upgraded to an X, is because it feels and is slightly bigger than the 7....a smart phone will never replace a lap top, although there are many young people that convince them selves it will and the manufacturers are playing on it, hence the 5" plus inch sizes, which completely the concept of a smart phone.
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    Bottom line, it's not a X plus, that's missing from the apple line up, it's a phone size wise, between the 8 & X...but Steve Jobs is dead and the guy running the company, isn't fit to lace Steve's boot laces, although he gets paid more.....go figure, the modern world
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    Me too, although it will be the 7 I keep
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    we're devastated to be losing you idiot
  17. TSax47 macrumors newbie


    Dec 3, 2017
    Couldn’t agree more I hate the in between form factor of the 4.7inch. If the SE2 does not arrive in a similar form factor I will either sell my iPad and phone to go with a plus model or switch to Android ... either way Apple loses one device from my upgrade cycle. A bit bigger would be ok but pocketable and one handed operation are my preferred form factor of its two handed then I’ll go big and dump the iPad
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    I actually don’t think Apple will do an SE I think they will try to cut more from and further bring down the cost of the rumoured 6.1in and release that as their cheap option...the emerging markets want big screens and the “cheap” model is being positioned to respond to that market, which is a shame since I want the small form factor of the SE.

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