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I wonder if they'll get it right this time.
Apple is not and audiophile oriented company.
Remember the iPod HiFi speaker? Steve said that was all we needed....
Remember when you failed at something around 15 years ago? Yeah you probably shouldn’t try to improve at this right now.
 
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$350 for a pair of Bluetooth headphones? Seriously? That's more than my near-field monitors cost me. A good pair of recording headphones is O($70), or O($140) for high-isolation headphones that I can use for tracking, or while drumming. At $350, it would have to also do my laundry.
It’s the same list price as the latest Bose QC and Sony WH-XM1000 noise canceling headphones. Those 2 products go on sale frequently but usually only for a short time. I know the Sony CAN use a cord and phono jack, I don’t know about Bose, but they both aimed at BlueTooth.

If the sound quality is close to either Sony or Bose there will be enough people buying them. Or if there is some feature that no one else has, although I don’t know what that would be. But if it fails it’s not going to be price (alone) that does it, it will be features the competition has that they don’t.
 
Something as simple as automatic on/off detection when the headphones are removed is brilliant. To just take the headphones off but have the music actually stop is great - I use play counts a lot, and hate having my phone chug along playing music because I forgot to pause it.
 
I’m not down with lossy sound, but if I was, I like that these are (rumoredly) flippable. Just wondering if the fit will be compromised that way. And I like that the eq is adjustable. I’d like an open back option though.
 
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I’m not down with lossy sound, but if I was, I like that these are (rumoredly) flippable. Just wondering if the fit will be compromised that way. And I like that the eq is adjustable. I’d like an open back option though.
Isn’t there supposed to be a lossless version of Bluetooth available within the next couple of versions? I thought I read that one was nearing approval a year ago.

Edit- its called Aptx lossless but it’s not a true lossless format like FLAC or ALAC. I’ll let other people argue about whether it’s bunk or not.
 
I never heard anyone complain about how “difficult” it was to pair a set of Bluetooth headphones either, but once Apple made it seamless, I will not go back.
The difference is I know when I’m pairing a Bluetooth devise. I do now know which instrument is supposed to come from which side.
 
I wonder if they'll get it right this time.
Apple is not and audiophile oriented company.
Remember the iPod HiFi speaker? Steve said that was all we needed....

Haha ... the sound was nice at that time when it was introduced. Also, funny enough had a line-in ... something the HomePod is missing :(

But this ... head sensor? "If it nah 'tect mi ball'ead, mi nah buy"
 
Isn’t there supposed to be a lossless version of Bluetooth available within the next couple of versions? I thought I read that one was nearing approval a year ago.

Edit- its called Aptx lossless but it’s not a true lossless format like FLAC or ALAC. I’ll let other people argue about whether it’s bunk or not.
Yeah AKA aptx hd. Heard about it awhile ago, but didn’t care to research it because it wasn’t true lossless. Then I didn’t hear anything about it until now years later lol. Maybe I’ll look into it at some point to see what the real deal is, but my feeling is if it was truly ground-breaking, then I would have been hearing more buzz.
 
I wonder if they'll get it right this time.
Apple is not and audiophile oriented company.
Remember the iPod HiFi speaker? Steve said that was all we needed....
That was before they bought a headphone manufacturer. I think audio quality has gone up post Beats.

I’d be happier if they would license the W1 to Sennheiser or something though!
 
Aren’t audiophile headphones like thousands of dollars?

Some are, sure, but you don't have to spend that much to get into the "audiophile" tier. Or what some might call "mid-fi". High-impedance Sennheiser HD 600 can be had for $300. They are fully balanced too. There are good affordable offerings from Audioquest, AKG, and Meze as well. $349 is a lot for headphones that aren't going to offer that kind of "reference" quality. I find that for closed-back headphones, you do have to spend closer to $1000 to match the quality of more affordable open-back.

I'm glad that Apple is serious about sound, but they're definitely not at the level of Sennheiser, Fiio, etc. Apple Music and its lack of lossless streaming or MQA or compatibility with FLAC is proof of that.
 
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$350 for a pair of Bluetooth headphones? Seriously? That's more than my near-field monitors cost me. A good pair of recording headphones is O($70), or O($140) for high-isolation headphones that I can use for tracking, or while drumming. At $350, it would have to also do my laundry.

Please tell me that "O($70)" isn't a try to abuse Big-O notation for prices. That'd be so AWESOMELY absurd and nonsensical and misapplied that it would give a lot of context to your contribution.

I await with abated breath for your confirmation :D
 
I'm really trying to figure out how this would work. Does it map each ear so it knows the difference? Or somehow remember the flex of the headphones on each side? I feel like I'm either being really dense about this or will be sufficiently impressed by the solution.

Well, you could probably use feedback from the speakers to determine which ear is which.
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Ok maybe I'm dumb, but why have two different branded on/over ear headphones? Why not incorporate these into the beats line? I know beats is a cuss word when it comes to audiophiles, but I just feel like this could all be streamlined.

I think the streamlining was to destroy the beats brand.
 
When I compose music on my iPad Pro, I use Sony WH-1000xm2 with the audio cable (through a USB-C hub) because of Bluetooth latency.
 
I'm really trying to figure out how this would work. Does it map each ear so it knows the difference? Or somehow remember the flex of the headphones on each side? I feel like I'm either being really dense about this or will be sufficiently impressed by the solution.

I am pretty sure they already test it with the AirPods Pro, remember the feature where they test the fit of the rubber cup? They play a sound which and the microphone that is position inside the headphones can recognize the echo and therefore the shape of the ear channel, or something like this. Not an expert, this is just how I understood it, might be wrong :)
 
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I wonder if they'll get it right this time.
Apple is not and audiophile oriented company.
Remember the iPod HiFi speaker? Steve said that was all we needed....
Remember that Steve died in 2011?
Remember that Bill Gates once thought 640kb RAM were enough?
Remember the HomePod?
Remember that people and companies adjust their orientation from time to time?
 
Other than the L/R detection, other headphones already do the play and pause when you remove em don't they?
Guess its the L/R thing and the initial pairing being the unique point.
Otherwise Price wise and other things seem pretty standard for that range, either way look forward to seeing em.
 
I wonder if they'll get it right this time.
Apple is not and audiophile oriented company.
Remember the iPod HiFi speaker? Steve said that was all we needed....

Spot on. The AirPods are more of a convenience than a true audio experience. I use them to run with or train with, but when I want to critically listen, I use my M&D MW07+ for wireless, or Shure SE-846 for audiophile level listening. This is not an innovation simply because Apple now employs this technique for detection. My B&W PX and P7's had this for a while.
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I think we’re largely at the point of passing that threshold. A few years ago it could reasonably still be argued. The Sony WH-1000xm3’s started to change that with good sound (if a bit boring) and excellent ANC. The Airpod Pro’s are good enough to seriously impress me - as someone who was an Etymotic die-hard for close to 15 years and owned most of the high end Shure models, and a handful of boutique IEM’s at one point or another. I still have many thousands of dollars of headphone equipment connected to my computer. Yet most of the time I choose the Airpod Pro’s today because the sound is outstanding (warm, full midrange with thumping bass and spacious, non-fatiguing highs) in a package of absolute silence and utter convenience.

You make a good point. I use the AirPods simply because they go in, and turn on. This is a super handy feature. However, when compared to my Shure SE-846, with OFC Double Helix handmade cables and custom ear molds, there is no question as to the more outstanding sound. Simply put, sound is objective. What sounds good to one person, sounds not so good too another person.
 
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Bring it in other colors than white (that Powerbeats green!) and I’ll buy then on day one!
A black color would be great

Yup. That’s one of the things that I really like from other manufacturers Like Sony, Audio-Technica, ect, they give you color choices other than just ‘classic white‘ from Apple. I think the AirPods are a great device for example, but there’s zero reason why Apple can’t offer an alternative color other than just white, it’s just them being ‘Apple’ for the sake of being stubborn without broadening the scope of their sales for the consumer by offering additional colors.
 
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I am definitely interested. My 1st gen QC35 is on it's last legs. Might also try the XM4 from Sony.
 
Oh, sorry, with "Studio" in the name, I assumed these were actually intended for audiophile use, not airplane travel. Noise canceling is the antithesis of good sound quality, because if you need it, you've already lost the battle. :)

I've never had much luck with noise canceling at any price. It's a gimmick.

noise cancelling is great on the Airpods Pro. I use mine most the day, working from home.
 
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You might also expect a portable computer with "Pro" in it's name to gave discrete graphics, or a phone with "Pro" in it's name to have a 120Hz display.
Care to explain how 120 Hz screen refresh indicates "Pro" in a phone? What do these "phone professionals" do with the higher refresh rate?
 
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