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Ok. So when I say adapter, it's $20, but when you say adapter, it's $5!? Wtf man?

If the headphones are going for $150-300, then why the hell get rid of the 3.5mm jack!? Is everyone now able to spend 400% more on headphones!? Wow! The economy is doing much better than I thought.

You can spend the same amount as you've always paid for Apple headphones and get the wired lightning version, or buy whatever you want and use the adapter. Bluetooth headphones aren't a necessity for the new iPhone. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
 
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10 + years with Micro USB? No thanks.

USB-C wasn't around when Lightning was created in 2012 and is STILL not on the some of the top Android phones *cough* Galaxy.

These ports will be gone soon anyway. The shift to wireless is inevitable.
Because transferring 128-256GB wirelessly is anyone's idea of fun, right?
 
Ok. So when I say adapter, it's $20, but when you say adapter, it's $5!? Wtf man?

If the headphones are going for $150-300, then why the hell get rid of the 3.5mm jack!? Is everyone now able to spend 400% more on headphones!? Wow! The economy is doing much better than I thought.

I explained it.

$20 adapter includes built-in DAC for converting Lightning output to 3.5mm headphones.
$5 adapter does not include built-in ADC, passes analogue output from 3.5mm source to Lightning headphones without conversion.
 
Beats is mid-end (and priced that way - Solo 2 are MSRP $200 wired and $300 wireless). You can purchase high-end sounding headphones for the price of Beats (or less) but true high end (fidelity) headphones typically run upwards of $400 (and many are double that or more).
There's high end, and then there's audiophile high end. Beats is very much consumer high end (again in price and positioning, not actual performance) which is why I assumed Apple bought them to begin with.
 
I explained it.

$20 adapter includes built-in DAC for converting Lightning output to 3.5mm headphones.
$5 adapter does not include built-in ADC, passes analogue output from 3.5mm source to Lightning headphones without conversion.

Ok. So how will someone charge and listen with your proposed adapter? Will there be 2 lightning ports on the adapter?
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You can spend the same amount as you've always paid for Apple headphones and get the wired thunderbolt version, or buy whatever you want and use the adapter. Bluetooth headphones aren't a necessity for the new iPhone. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I've never paid for Apple headphones. They come with my devices. dont know how you get Thunderbolt thrown in here, but I'll assume you meant Lightning. So long as the adapter is reasonable and let's me charge and listen at the same time I'll survive unhappily.
 
audiophiles vs bluetooth.
what a bad discussion to get mixed up with...

my 2 cents:
those who seriously want high quality, would want to bypass the internal DAC of the iphone and go all digital to an external converter through lightning. so nothing changes here.
everyone else.. aren't most of you already streaming compressed audio from spotify/apple music? do you think you'll lose so much more when going through the BT intermediate step?

B&W just announced their wireless (BT) version of the P7 headphone, priced at 399$. i know, marketing, but i don't think a premium brand like them would want to see the audio quality of such a product compromised by a crappy protocol.
i suspect most of these assumptions that BT is low quality comes from the ubiquitous diffusion of low quality products with inferior dacs, noisy chips, what have you.
what i mean is that, if done right, BT can be good sounding too.
 
Ok. So how will someone charge and listen with your proposed adapter? Will there be 2 lightning ports on the adapter?

I'm not following, you don't have to charge and listen when taking an analogue source from a 3.5mm jack -- you won't even be plugged into the iPhone.
 
I'm not following, you don't have to charge and listen when taking an analogue source from a 3.5mm jack -- you won't even be plugged into the iPhone.

If using headphones that connect using Lightning, how can I also charge?

I have a conference call every morning that I charge and talk. I need to be able to continue to do this.
 
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Because transferring 128-256GB wirelessly is anyone's idea of fun, right?

I haven't used a cable to transfer data in years. I don't know a single person that still transfers data to a computer manually.

But hey, to each his own.
 
Only to you, but then again that's your opinion.

If Apple could fix latency and connection issues with their chip, thus improving the user experience, how would that only benefit me and my opinions? Apple's "chip" is still Bluetooth. It will work just like bluetooth, with any other bluetooth-enabled device.

Not trying to be combative here, just trying to explain how you can make something better without changing its fundamentals/compatibility.
 
This says quite a lot about how Apple views the Beats brand. Other companies like HP were willing to use the Beats brand in advertising their products, like HP which sold laptops with Beats audio. Apple absorbed Beats, which on the hardware side were valuable for their name and image, and doesn't believe that name or image is that valuable. But since they're now the same company, it's even stranger. Killing the Beats brand wouldn't make sense financially in the short term, and yet I suspect Apple would like to due to their purist leanings. On the other hand, they acknowledge the brand in the Beats 1 radio station name. And they are offering free Beats headphones to university students with purchase of Apple products. But Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre have made no public appearances at Apple events since WWDC 2015. I still don't see how the purchase made that much sense. Apple was inept at transitioning to a streaming service, but they haven't, in my experience, been great at it with Apple Music. Spotify works like iTunes used to, which is why it's so great. Apple doesn't get what they used to get so well. I think they showed that in buying Beats. In buying Soundjam MP, they made a much wiser purchase. And they knew that was great—and didn't keep the name (it became iTunes). They're reluctant to give up the Beats name for obvious reasons, but with this AirPods it also seems like they're reluctant to taint new innovations with a brand they maybe realize wasn't that great.
 
If using headphones that connect using Lightning, how can I also charge?

I have a conference call every morning that I charge and talk. I need to be able to continue to do this.

Any of a dozen ways depending on the headphones and equipment you're using.

Simplest way is a passthrough port on the Lightning charging cable Apple already includes in the box.
 
Great, another splintering.. can't use the regular bluetooth chip that everyone else uses to make it universal.. No no.. we have to have our own nonsense again. This is getting old quickly.

It can´t splinter since Bluetooth is a standard. If the chip implements the required parts of the Bluetooth standards, then it is a Bluetooth-chip. Otherwise it is not.
 
Apple will sell its Apple-branded Bluetooth headphones alongside its Beats line of headphones, targeting the high-end market with the "AirPods"
LOOOOL, eat this, defenders of the audio jack removal :D you'll be lucky if those airpods will cost you $100
 
Because transferring 128-256GB wirelessly is anyone's idea of fun, right?

You're jumping the gun a little here aren't you? 802.11ac already supports up to 3.39 Gb/s with MIMO. In 2017 they're planning to release 802.11 ay which will support up to 20-40 Gb/s. So who knows how Apple plans to mitigate this issue by the time they actually go port-less?
 
LOOOOL, eat this, defenders of the audio jack removal :D you'll be lucky if those airpods will cost you $100

I'm sure they'll cost significantly more than $100 but I don't see how that makes the removal of the audio jack any worse. Apple isn't going to be the only company making BT headphones. There are a lot of options out there.
 
.........how about waiting until it is available and read some reviews before commenting negatively?
How about looking at what's currently on the market? You think Apple has invented some magic earbuds that last for over a week and also developed a new Bluetooth standard with little to no interference while they were at it? Get real.
 
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I'm sure they'll cost significantly more than $100 but I don't see how that makes the removal of the audio jack any worse. Apple isn't going to be the only company making BT headphones. There are a lot of options out there.
And what's the point of the removal then? You can buy 3rd party bluetooth headphones right now and use it with current iPhones.
 
And what's the point of the removal then? You can buy 3rd party bluetooth headphones right now and use it with current iPhones.

I have no idea because I don't think anyone knows for sure what they've done with that space yet. But can we all agree that the jack takes up a lot of space in a device that's awfully crammed as it is? I'm certainly not going to spend too much time mourning the removal of ancient technology from a modern device though. I get that some people feel like this is a giant inconvenience, I just personally don't see it.
 
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Any of a dozen ways depending on the headphones and equipment you're using.

Simplest way is a passthrough port on the Lightning charging cable Apple already includes in the box.

That's all I'm trying to get at. While I will never* be happy with the removal of the headphone jack, if Apple provides me with all I need to continue doing what I do today without asking me to pay for additional accessories that I've never needed, then I'll be fine. Just include it in the box. If it costs too much for Apple to put the replacement equipment in the box, then it's a bad solution for everybody.
 
most headphones already have detacheable cable at the earcup(s). change that cable to a lightning one and you're all done.

seriously, at first i was skeptical and against the jack removal, but the more i think about it, the more i believe is not that big of a deal.

the only two open points are:
- how do i charge and have earphones connected at the same time? (answer: chinese y-split for 2$, not so elegant)
- how will i use lightning earphones with the mac? (answer: i probably won't)

anyway, it's just a transition period, in 3 years everyone will have wireless everything.
 
This is such a horrible idea....people will surely lose these earbuds at the airport or in some other public place while wondering around.......at least a attached wire is a preventive measure against losing your earbuds.....
 
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