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The best way to counter fake Apple Stores in a place with no Apple Stores in the nearest 1,000km or even 2,000km, is to open a store there. Apple shouts that they are now focused on the "Greater China" region including China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, but the very first store in Hong Kong is still under renovation and is not open yet! :eek:
 
Honestly, I am seeing a VERY bad outcome between U.S. and China that will show its nasty head in the coming years. Personally, I think the only thing we can do as consumers is try to best boycott not only Chinese goods, but companies that outsource and make things in China. Obviously this is nearly impossible to do 100%, but at the very least we could show these companies the devastating impact that outsourcing does. Not only does it give our technology and jobs overseas and money flowing out of the economy. But for every job lost here in the United States (or any other country due to outsourcing for that matter) many more jobs are lost in the long term as a result of that one job loss (its a domino effect). If there are less people getting paid here, its less people buying your things to pay you, and you downsize.

What scares me especially with China is that they in fact do attack U.S. hosted sites and IP addresses, despite whatever their officials say, it is fact. I have no doubt that the government was behind the cyber attacks early last year against Google and other HUGE and top U.S. companies that stole source code and other unique and critical information. It is far too complex to be an underground job and the information taken is arguably not worth the time and effort to steal unless you wanted that specific information (which quite frankly, an underground hacker would not want and/or value).

Also, Apple and other U.S. companies setting up base in China are giving early and near unrestricted access to Chinese government and thieves. They have early designs and prototypes for all apple's products (which almost ALWAYS get leaked to the public), the assembly lines on how to create them. And I am SURE that these details have all escaped and the technology behind it has been leaked to CHINESE companies to help them out if such critical and secret information is getting out to the U.S. Press...

Everything just seems very fishy, and the fact that Chinese authorities don't seem bothered or don't seem to care about these issues, makes it seem like a company as big as Apple, who does millions and millions of dollars of business with the chinese each year, isn't even important enough to them, so why would anyone else matter?

Again, this is VERY controversial, and yes, I have stressed certain points of view to get my point across. Is the entire Chinese government corrupt and each official a liar - by all means NO! But I think that there is MORE than a fair share of corrupt officials and I would go far as to say, the majority of the Chinese governmental system is corrupt (or at least enough figure heads to gain majority control) for us to turn our head or ignore it would be a tragedy and an injustice.
 
Everything just seems very fishy, and the fact that Chinese authorities don't seem bothered or don't seem to care about these issues, makes it seem like a company as big as Apple, who does millions and millions of dollars of business with the chinese each year, isn't even important enough to them, so why would anyone else matter?

If apple paid american workers the same amount they pay these chinese workers you damn well better expect to see wage increases. Considering how obscenely wealthy Apple is, and that all their products are made off of chinese labor, they are basically exploiting the chinese worker.
 
Does it not strike anyone as a little ironic that at home they are spearheading the corporate misuse of patent/trademark laws, yet are the most prominent victim of the other extreme in Asia.
 
If apple paid american workers the same amount they pay these chinese workers you damn well better expect to see wage increases. Considering how obscenely wealthy Apple is, and that all their products are made off of chinese labor, they are basically exploiting the chinese worker.

Not entirely. Apple's not the only company to use Chinese labor, in fact it's odd to find products NOT made in China anymore. Apple's not holding a gun to a Chinese worker's head forcing them to work, the worker's working conditions are the result of a large part of how their government works. China is by no means a poor country, rather the government is very wealthy, however there's less middle-class people in China in comparison to anywhere else, so there's an alarming amount of poor people trying to make ends meet who have no choice but to work for companies that's tasked to assemble, for example products for Apple.
 
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Panda express sells lots of fake Chinese food why aren't the American authorities cracking down
 
Ah... one of the many pitfalls of making iToys instead of computers and chasing the lowest common denominator. Cheaper competition. Even illegal competition.

Bet no one ever counterfeited a Mac Pro or iMac, Steve.

Lesson One of the ten US major organ makers that went defunct in the 80's chasing Casio in vain.

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Oh shucks, something that isn't going Apple's way... The horror. :rolleyes:

I wonder what they would do if they just told Apple to get their manufacturing out of China, or like suspend their operations for like a month. It's not like they can't do that, it's not exactly a democracy there.

Don't ****** with us, yankee. Want to exploit cheap labor here, that's fine. We'll let you. But don't tell us what's right or wrong.

Teach them a little lesson.
 
Oh shucks, something that isn't going Apple's way... The horror. :rolleyes:

I wonder what they would do if they just told Apple to get their manufacturing out of China, or like suspend their operations for like a month. It's not like they can't do that, it's not exactly a democracy there.

Don't ****** with us, yankee. Want to exploit cheap labor here, that's fine. We'll let you. But don't tell us what's right or wrong.

Teach them a little lesson.

I love these Apple-nationalist topics. They're so rational...
 
I love these Apple-nationalist topics. They're so rational...

Its as if they don't know, China is not going to be a ******** country forever, sure they will become more of a world power, and with that, wages will rise, their economy will rise, as will their debt. Once China becomes too expensive for us, we will move on to the next third world country to make our goods. The problem for china there is, once we move all out factories out, what will they make? No one wants a Chinese car, or a Chinese Computer company, sure they make them, but Apple is what the consumer is after. American brands are what the world-wide consumer is generally after. Apple, Nike, Pepsi, Coke, etc. But I couldn't name you one Chinese built car, or a chinese shoe brand, or a chinese soda. One thing America had going for itself was during our industrial revolution, is we didn't rely too much on another country like China relies on our money. We were pretty independent. We instituted in this century brand names that will be around for a long long time, China isn't doing that. Their relying on our work, but once thats dried up, where will China's innovation and ability to stand on their own come from? I hope they have it, because Knock-Offs can only get you so far.

China is going to have to start becoming independent and creating a 'from within' economy, not one thats simply built off making products for rich 1st world countries. That being said, they also need to stimulate internal job growth, I couldn't imagine how much of China's work force relies on jobs that are shipped there from other countries.

Which brings me to a thought, I find it funny how much people have a distaste for America, they don't like Americans, don't care for its people. But they have such a boner for our culture. They wear our clothes, eat our food, listen to our music, love our companies, and yet tell us to **** ourselves. Don't they realize thats the epitome of American? Raping something for all its worth, then giving it the middle finger?
 
Its as if they don't know, China is not going to be a ******** country forever, sure they will become more of a world power, and with that, wages will rise, their economy will rise, as will their debt. Once China becomes too expensive for us, we will move on to the next third world country to make our goods. The problem for china there is, once we move all out factories out, what will they make? No one wants a Chinese car, or a Chinese Computer company, sure they make them, but Apple is what the consumer is after. American brands are what the world-wide consumer is generally after. Apple, Nike, Pepsi, Coke, etc. But I couldn't name you one Chinese built car, or a chinese shoe brand, or a chinese soda. One thing America had going for itself was during our industrial revolution, is we didn't rely too much on another country like China relies on our money. We were pretty independent. We instituted in this century brand names that will be around for a long long time, China isn't doing that. Their relying on our work, but once thats dried up, where will China's innovation and ability to stand on their own come from? I hope they have it, because Knock-Offs can only get you so far.

China is going to have to start becoming independent and creating a 'from within' economy, not one thats simply built off making products for rich 1st world countries. That being said, they also need to stimulate internal job growth, I couldn't imagine how much of China's work force relies on jobs that are shipped there from other countries.

Which brings me to a thought, I find it funny how much people have a distaste for America, they don't like Americans, don't care for its people. But they have such a boner for our culture. They wear our clothes, eat our food, listen to our music, love our companies, and yet tell us to **** ourselves. Don't they realize thats the epitome of American? Raping something for all its worth, then giving it the middle finger?

Chinese brands are becoming quite popular in low-end segments and in emerging countries (including counterfeit ones): ZTE, JAC Motors, Huwaei, Lenovo and so on. By the way, in terms of high end laptops, I find Lenovo ThinkPads more adult and elegant than Apple Macbooks, but they're not too popular in my country as Apple ones. Lenovo is a chinese mutinational. Ok, ThinkPad's design is pretty much derived from an IBM concept but Lenovo is keeping it updated very well.

This is globalization: globalized and nationless brands. Why do you think Apple is an american brand? Today, maybe. But imagine in ten or twenty years. Currently I can own Apple stocks if I want, maybe chinese people can do the same. Why don't you think about doing the same buying chinese stocks?

The reliability of US products is just a myth. There are no US products today. At best, there are US projects assembled with components produced worldwide (mainly in China). Of course a very cheap chinese product (e.g. a low end taiwanese Clevo laptop assembled in China) will be less reliable than a good Lenovo Thinkpad (also assembled in China, but much more expensive). This is obvious and it's not brand-related. HP and Toshiba have cheaper products and high end ones. The low end side clearly is less reliable.

So, make your passport and move to where is better to live. If you have a good education, you will be successful. Patriotism is so 20th century...
 
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The reliability of US products is just a myth. There are no US products today.
This is just false. There are plenty of high-end products manufactured in the US today, though usually not in the consumer electronics domain. As high-end products, they are highly reliable. I buy plenty of US-made products (as well as European and a few major Asian players) and they are almost always better designed and higher quality than any of the junk you get from China.
 
It's laughable how Apple says they have "premium products" yet their products are made by cheap labor in China! :rolleyes:

I don't see BMW or Rolex having their manufacturing bases in China for cheap labor!
 
It's laughable how Apple says they have "premium products" yet their products are made by cheap labor in China! :rolleyes:

I don't see BMW or Rolex having their manufacturing bases in China for cheap labor!

That's why BMW or Rolex are not the largest companies in the world. I used to think Apple actually cared about it's clients and wanted to make the best product out there but I think otherwise now...Boy was a naive.

They still happen to make the best computers, so a lot of us are forced to support them.
 
That's why BMW or Rolex are not the largest companies in the world. I used to think Apple actually cared about it's clients and wanted to make the best product out there but I think otherwise now...Boy was a naive.

They still happen to make the best computers, so a lot of us are forced to support them.

Very much true. Apple products are OK (I own quite a few) but enough of the "premium" nonsense and comparisons to BMW and Rolex and such. There is no reason these Macs should be so expensive!
 
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