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Well I have been waiting for Apple to allow direct podcast downloads for ages as this is something I would really like to do when away from my Mac (ie on business trips etc).

I am shocked that Apple have therefore rejected this on the grounds it duplicates current functionality as it would clearly not be the case.

If Microsoft did this they would be in the courts pretty sharpish so perhaps Apple should rethink this before they are hit with and anti-competition lawsuit.

I would hope that Steve Jobs is kicking the idiot at Apple that made this decision right now.
 
This wouldn't be such a pain if you could load applications from other sources because Apple have every right to decide what they allow on the app store. Unfortunately you can't. :(
 
I would hope that Steve Jobs is kicking the idiot at Apple that made this decision right now.

You're new to the forums so I'll let this one slide...

KICKING is a HUMAN behavior... Steve Jobs is not human. As a result, Steve simply moves his hands in a Vadar-Esque fashion and bam! The person chokes and falls to the ground.
 
Legal in the bussiness world IS the right thing to do.

I honestly beleive people put Apple wayyyyyyy up on a pedestal and anything that they do (THAT ANY OTHER COMPANY WOULD DO AS WELL) that doesnt measure up to that "apple is the can do no wrong" mentality is suddenly worth bitching about. If M$ did this would anyone care? would it even be noteable? i think not.

There's the other half of it. To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft has never killed or otherwise prevented a 3rd party app from appearing on a phone running it's system. Nor has RIM. Nor SonyEricsson. It's not even an issue. Offhand I can think of half a dozen browsers for WinMo besides IE. Could you imagine the fun Opera would have getting it's browser approved? Never once did it cross my mind that I'd better be careful, Microsoft/RIM/SE/whatever might not like this. Apple can and will do whatever it wants but I can retool in 10 minutes and be writing a WinMo app. Or a RIM app. Or an SE app. Or no app at all which is still not an iPhone app. Apple needs happy and busy 3rd party developers a whole lot more than they need Apple. Especially this Apple.

At least they could be honest about it. "This program was rejected because it competes with something we do". Fine. Note to self, don't write anything that looks like competition for Apple. But "excessive bandwidth"? C'mon. As was noted, the YouTube app is a bandwidth hog. It's not a valid reason.
 
This wouldn't be such a pain if you could load applications from other sources because Apple have every right to decide what they allow on the app store. Unfortunately you can't. :(

actually you can. Jailbreak it.
 
ur switching back because of the possibility that some random app at some random time might possibly be blocked from the app store?

or is apple holding apps that you desperately need to use ? (that would be a legitimate reason)

Mostly it's due to being sick of jumping though hoops to tether my phone--but at the end of the day, I'm disgusted with the level of control that Apple is holding over the software market, period. As a side note, I'll be happy to go back to syncing my phone over Bluetooth :p
 
True. I should have added the words 'without losing one's warranty'.

well technically, the warranty is there the whole time. If you have a REAL problem worth bringing it into apple for, plug her into itunes, restore, and there you have it, a stock iphone :D
 
you guys do know there is a free podcaster webapp right? It's been out for a long time. It's streaming but it works very well. Create a login and subscribe. It's pretty east to use. Does video and everything. The iPhone comes with a bookmark for the apple webapp directory, just do a search for podcaster

I'm in the App Store and did a search for "podcaster" and it came up with no applications other than a personal podcaster for a spefic podcast.
 
It's not in the app store. It's a webapp. Not a native app. You can find a link to it by going to the webapp section of apple.com and do a search for podcaster. There should be a bookmark to the web apps in your bookmarks in safari on your iPhone. The iPhone comes with this bookmark from the factory.
 
So long as they REIMBURSE you for an application they hastily put up for sale in the Apple Store, sold it (accepted money) and removed it, all w/out reimbursing the customers, that's a big deal to me! The NetShare tether, the Are You Rich? applications. Did anyone get their money back on NetShare and other apps sold and removed and deleted from your phone?
 
It's not in the app store. It's a webapp. Not a native app. You can find a link to it by going to the webapp section of apple.com and do a search for podcaster. There should be a bookmark to the web apps in your bookmarks in safari on your iPhone. The iPhone comes with this bookmark from the factory.

Thanks I have them both to compare. Really appreciate the help!
 
Yes, but maybe it will work only up to one year or untill Apple decides to kill it. Which could happen an hour from now if they decided to pull the kill switch. You need to read the details.

Umm. I did read the instructions. Aren't you the one who said you you want this app? If you want it, it's available. If you can't deal with the hoops, obviously you don't really want it after all. :p
 
You're new to the forums so I'll let this one slide...

KICKING is a HUMAN behavior... Steve Jobs is not human. As a result, Steve simply moves his hands in a Vadar-Esque fashion and bam! The person chokes and falls to the ground.

It happens all the time. We go through more people at the retail stores......
 
This is 100% acceptable. Those who think otherwise are just stupid.
 
Umm. I did read the instructions. Aren't you the one who said you you want this app? If you want it, it's available. If you can't deal with the hoops, obviously you don't really want it after all. :p

Riiiight....... Can I please pay for something that has no guarantee it will work past tomorrow? Pretty please?

I want a permanent app, not a $10 trial version.

Come on now.
 
I think we're eventually going to see legal action from one of the software developers against Apple. Is anyone an attorney here? Can you discuss this? How can Apple do this and avoid legal action?

Not a lawyer, did have some commentary earlier (post #203). By signing the agreement with Apple, you agree to abide by their rules, so in theory you would have no way to object to said rules.

However, that being said, if you do put an application in for approval, a legitimate one, and it is rejected, then Apple releases basically an identical application at some period later you may then be able to take them to court for copyright infringement etc as I would presume you would need to submit the application in full to Apple for approval and release, so they then could in thoery reverse engineer what you did or just recreate the functionality and sell it as their own.

Alternately if you make a legitimate application and it is rejected for no obvious reason but another application with similar/same functionality is approved you could also see this being court case potential. Even more so if the applications are the first of their type and not the 400th version of Texas Holdem being released.

Obviously this is more a topic for the high flying lawyers to debate but there is risk to Apple in setting things up the way they have.

I don't necessarily feel that Apple should limit the number of applications of a specific type as different applications can provide more levels, more skill, different price points, multiplayer vs single player options etc etc and they are all different ways to differientiate your product from mine, my game offers 10 levels for $2, but yours offers 20 levels for $5, both should be allowed. The consumer should decide which applications are worth buying ifg say I have fewer levels but charge more.

Apple should seriously consider a more open approach (already said this earlier in the thread). Set up a level system where you can have applications reviewed and ranked on specific criteria:
- Level 1 is any application that is not regarded as an obvious security or stability risk and the price has been reviewed. Prevent spyware, keystroke loggers and obvious attempts at way over charging. Good place for free apps and where no ongoing support would be required.

- Level 2 is where the consumer knows that the app has been reviewed by Apple and is trusted. Maybe it has completed some form of basic testing.

- Level 3 application can be one where the developer and Apple have had some kind of communication and reaches say an approved status, ie it provides what could be reasonably expected as a full application.

- Level 4 applications would be where the major vendors can have their applications, EA, SAP, Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, Google. The vendor would agree to providing their own support and other requirements as set forth by Apple.

- Level 5 applications would probably fall under the company specific applications that corporations develop for their own employees only, this might require something along the lines of purchasing management software from Apple to run on a server(s) as a delivery agent to the devices, in addition there would be an agreement where you cannot use the server software to distribute applications outside of your organization. Because of the risk here I would suggest there be some kind of logging enable to record all s/n's etc they software is pushed to so it can be audited by Apple etc.

This way very large companies like Apple itself, the major banks, insurance companies etc can deploy applications to large numbers of employees and remain in compliance and also it would encourage them to develop inhouse for the platform. Potentially Apple could have a system where by a Level 5 application could be moved over to the App store later on if the developing company so desires and have it done so in such a way that the review is different.

Obviously this is a very simple breakdown and doing it is this way would require more specifics etc. The one last thing they should do is have a way for the consumer to report potential issues so applications can be rereviewed if you find after the event that there is say a time limit on application which was not otherwise documented.

You're new to the forums so I'll let this one slide...

KICKING is a HUMAN behavior... Steve Jobs is not human. As a result, Steve simply moves his hands in a Vadar-Esque fashion and bam! The person chokes and falls to the ground.

rofl! got to give you a +1 for that, I would give you the internet but Apple might not approve.
 
I just won't pay for another app from Apple's app store again. That is all I can do. Now that I think of it I won't download any free either.
 
As much as I despise frivolous lawsuits I would have agree'd with you if not for the posting of the agreement they signed.

Unfortunately Apple (if this is indeed the terms they agreed to, I haven't read it) has every right to make the decision.

I find the agreement unfair but every developer agreed to the terms.

Shame on Apple.

Every developer agreed to the terms, but the issue really is that the terms are not clear.

Like in this Podcaster App, Apple says that it is rejected b/c it replicated features already contained or (maybe) will contain.

But what about all of those "calculator apps?"

The real problem is that Apple is not consistent, the developers are clueless on what really truly is acceptable and not acceptable. Without *any* of this, it makes things extremely difficult to develop apps, b/c heck all that hard work maybe (in the end) completely rejected by Apple.

This is what is wrong.
 
apple sucks... :mad: :mad: :mad:

they certainly have some nerve GOUGING developers for the $99 program and not reimbursing them once they've rejected their app for stupid reasons.

who the hell wants to develop for their devices under these threats?
 
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