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Duh. If they force you to "upgrade" in order to restore a device.
This is exactly what happened to me...pushed me to jailbreak for the first time ever...and now with several tweaks and additions, I have a device which is much more functional and customizable than Apple wants it to be stock, plus the classic dock and stock icons back...mixed blessing, I guess
 
Apple could approach 100% if they would do better programming and offer backward compatibility. The original iOS devices could all run iOS7 with some very minor exceptions. Features that truly can't be supported could be held out in the compile for older devices and then everyone could upgrade to iOS7.

Same goes for all of the Macintosh computers (desktop, iMac, notbooke) produced since about 1999. MacOSX could be tweeked with compiler specific to machine adjustments so that all Macs of the last 15 years would be able to still run the latest OSX10.10 when it comes out.

It is environmentally bad of Apple to make hardware obsolete when it could still be used. Apple's got almost $160BILLION dollars in cash on hand. They could devote some of that to this legacy support and that would pay back in the long run.

We also need legacy support and into the future so that we can continue to access our data. To do that we need to be able to run our software.
 
It's only your opinion that it looks horrible.

Well it's not only his. I know 8 people with iPads and not one of them likes the look of iOS7, and several have complained about how slow their devices have become. Not to mention all the complaining on here.

If there were any alternative, it'd be interesting to see how many people would ditch iOS7. I'd bet most of them.

I smashed my iPad and was lucky to have it replaced with an iOS6 model. For as clunky as some aspects of it seemed at the time, compared to iOS 7 it's much faster and looks very polished.
 
I wonder how accurate getting it from app store is?

Apple sold 80-100 million iphone 2g->3gs
300-320 million 4->5s

So even given that most of the older models are gone thats close to 20% thats too old to run IOS7 that would lead to an almost 100% adoption among the rest which is hard to believe.
 
Apple could approach 100% if they would do better programming and offer backward compatibility. The original iOS devices could all run iOS7 with some very minor exceptions. Features that truly can't be supported could be held out in the compile for older devices and then everyone could upgrade to iOS7.

Same goes for all of the Macintosh computers (desktop, iMac, notbooke) produced since about 1999. MacOSX could be tweeked with compiler specific to machine adjustments so that all Macs of the last 15 years would be able to still run the latest OSX10.10 when it comes out.

It is environmentally bad of Apple to make hardware obsolete when it could still be used. Apple's got almost $160BILLION dollars in cash on hand. They could devote some of that to this legacy support and that would pay back in the long run.

We also need legacy support and into the future so that we can continue to access our data. To do that we need to be able to run our software.

But that would increase the chances of having more bugs. Microsoft support legacy operating systems and applications and the result is an extremely buggy operating system with a lot of unsatisfied users.

All that would also be a nightmare for developers, to be forced to "tone down" their apps for older devices. As a result, apps would be more expensive to develop and/or be extremely buggy. The other option would be developers to ignore older devices to cut costs on development, but that would leave us where we are now.
 
Am I missing something here, was this ever possible with iOS?
Some people think, just because they don't like iOS 7, the entire user base doesn't!

You could on iPhone 4 and earlier due to a bootrom exploit.

I get worked up because iOS is the only mainstream os you cannot downgrade
 
I wonder how accurate getting it from app store is?

Apple sold 80-100 million iphone 2g->3gs
300-320 million 4->5s

So even given that most of the older models are gone thats close to 20% thats too old to run IOS7 that would lead to an almost 100% adoption among the rest which is hard to believe.

1) Apple sold about 60 million iPhones before the iPhone 4 was released, so I doubt that the number of pre-iPhone 4's got over 80 million.
2) Pre-iPhone 4's are more likely to be scrapped or not used on the App Store.
3) Apple has sold 472 million iPhones in total through the end of 2013
4) You aren't including 195 million iPads or 100 million of the iPod touch.

So, iOS devices that can't run iOS 7 are probably around 11-12% of all iOS devices ever sold. And many of them are likely no longer in use.
 
But that would increase the chances of having more bugs. Microsoft support legacy operating systems and applications and the result is an extremely buggy operating system with a lot of unsatisfied users.

All that would also be a nightmare for developers, to be forced to "tone down" their apps for older devices. As a result, apps would be more expensive to develop and/or be extremely buggy. The other option would be developers to ignore older devices to cut costs on development, but that would leave us where we are now.
Yeah look at that horrible Windows XP OS that is super buggy and people are completely unsatisfied and really hate it. And all the Windows developers have extremely buggy applications and have gone bankrupt supporting Windows XP.

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Am I missing something here, was this ever possible with iOS?
Some people think, just because they don't like iOS 7, the entire user base doesn't!
The part that a number doesn't carry much meaning when there's isn't much of a choice.
 
1) Apple sold about 60 million iPhones before the iPhone 4 was released, so I doubt that the number of pre-iPhone 4's got over 80 million.
2) Pre-iPhone 4's are more likely to be scrapped or not used on the App Store.
3) Apple has sold 472 million iPhones in total through the end of 2013
4) You aren't including 195 million iPads or 100 million of the iPod touch.

So, iOS devices that can't run iOS 7 are probably around 11-12% of all iOS devices ever sold. And many of them are likely no longer in use.

Most ipod touches cant use ios 7 only the latest version is capable and those sales have been going down for a while .

Even if its 10-15% then that means 95-90% of ALL ios devices capable of running 7 have been upgraded.


I would think that a lot barely or never get on the app store and dont get counted . People who are less likely to visit app store also would be less likely to upgrade .
 
Even if its 10-15% then that means 95-90% of ALL ios devices capable of running 7 have been upgraded.

No, it doesn't. Because these stats only apply to devices that regularly access the App Store.

I would think that a lot barely or never get on the app store and dont get counted . People who are less likely to visit app store also would be less likely to upgrade .

Exactly. These stats are posted for developer use. They don't care about people who don't access the App Store. Google publishes Android's version distribution the same way.
 
Numbers like this are a complete joke.

My ipod touch 2nd gen gets used every single day. Apple intentionally cut off support at version 4. Since it can no longer update or download apps etc, it "disappears" off the charts, and doesn't get counted in the 20%.

There are millions, if not tens of millions of devices like this, massively under-representing the "not 7" models in use.

I think the 10's of millions fall into the 3% earlier (than iOS 6) figure. So think how many HUNDREDS of millions have upgraded out of the past both hardware and software-wise.
 
Yeah look at that horrible Windows XP OS that is super buggy and people are completely unsatisfied and really hate it. And all the Windows developers have extremely buggy applications and have gone bankrupt supporting Windows XP.

I'm confused, are you trying to claim that it's easy to support several legacy operating systems and that it doesn't take more development time? Because I don't see nothing constructive in what you wrote.

I said that supporting legacy has more chances of having bugs, never said that Windows developers were stupid and don't know how to solve them.
 
Am I missing something here, was this ever possible with iOS?
Some people think, just because they don't like iOS 7, the entire user base doesn't!

You can't downgrade iOS. That's a security feature: Let's say a security problem is found in 7.0.4 and fixed in 7.0.5. A hacker getting hold of your phone would then try to downgrade from 7.0.5 to 7.0.4 to be able to use that security problem to hack into the phone.
 
I'm confused, are you trying to claim that it's easy to support several legacy operating systems and that it doesn't take more development time? Because I don't see nothing constructive in what you wrote.

I said that supporting legacy has more chances of having bugs, never said that Windows developers were stupid and don't know how to solve them.
It certainly wouldn't be a "nightmare" or something extremely horrific, as it really hasn't been that for OSs that allow that, that's essentially the point.

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You can't downgrade iOS. That's a security feature: Let's say a security problem is found in 7.0.4 and fixed in 7.0.5. A hacker getting hold of your phone would then try to downgrade from 7.0.5 to 7.0.4 to be able to use that security problem to hack into the phone.
Activation Lock would kick in at that point and the hacker wouldn't' be able to do much. Plenty of OSs allow downgrades and things are still OK without it all falling apart. There are ways to deal with things of that nature. Sure, not allowing downgrading is one way, but that's not really dealing with it and just taking the easy although less consumer-friendly way out of it.
 
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