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Targeting the ones who spend as little as possibile looks like a sound strategy.

Exactly. The same crowd that wants their smartphones as cheapest as possible, many of them expect their apps to be free (or side-loaded pirated, etc). They are aggrieved if they are made to pay for software "WHAT!? You expect me to pay for the apps? You expect me to pay extra for services? Those should be free! I already paid $400 for a brand new cutting edge smartphone! Don't you dare charge me any more!"
 
I noticed a few apps have less features in the free versions since 14.5 :mad:. So we have to buy the paid version to get what was previously free?
It was not free, it was paid with our data. Maybe you don’t care but I do and I haven’t been asked by those developers.
Now they are no longer allowed to force me to pay with my data before I agree to do so.
Good thing.
And yes, you have to pay for other people’s work. Common sense.
 
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YES! Free ethical tech. no more spying. At least we have an option now, although I would like to see more options. iOS and Android is too restrictive. There are like 8 billion customers here.

I noticed a few apps have less features in the free versions since 14.5 :mad:. So we have to buy the paid version to get what was previously free?

Not free, paid in exchange for your data.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but this feature will be off by default on Android (compared to on by default on iOS)? So the fallout on android may be way less if people cannot be bothered to switch it on.
On iOS the default is to allow apps to ask to track (although there is some variance, as the default for some users seems to be not to allow that). Each app has to ask, then, and you either allow or deny.

I don’t know, and I don’t know if it’s publicly known how the Android mechanism will work.
 
On iOS the default is to allow apps to ask to track (although there is some variance, as the default for some users seems to be not to allow that). Each app has to ask, then, and you either allow or deny.

I don’t know, and I don’t know if it’s publicly known how the Android mechanism will work.

Hmm, mine was turned off by default. Meaning that apps could not even ask me for permission to track me. It’s disabled by default, and will stay that way until I literally flip the switch.
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Hmm, mine was turned off by default. Meaning that apps could not even ask me for permission to track me. It’s disabled by default, and will stay that way until I literally flip the switch.
Mine was turned on, and so was my colleague's. It's unclear to me, from Apple documentation, what the default is supposed to be. It seems that a default off would be almost the same as just denying always without options, since no normal person is going to do dig into settings and find this. I think it should be on by default, keeping it in line with all other permissions which also ask before use. But it seems to vary. I wonder why and how.
 
That still some 30%+ of users have somehow been tricked into sharing their data is worrying and in need of a campaign to educate them on what they are giving away for little or no return.
 
That still some 30%+ of users have somehow been tricked into sharing their data is worrying and in need of a campaign to educate them on what they are giving away for little or no return.
That's a pretty arrogant view. How do you know if they were tricked and how do you determine, on behalf of other people, what value they think it has? Personally, I have allowed app tracking for my (state) weather app, so far. Only a few other apps asked, for which I disallowed it.
 
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This is a good start, but the ad industry is already pivoting to integrations such as Unified ID 2.0 to soften the blow. It could become beneficial in creating more accurate data points for programmatic targeting. There are also ISP’s who are selling your data to aid targeting, so aside from using a VPN at home there is little you can do to prevent IP targeting.

I except to see more paywalls and requirements to login into websites/services that build up these networks so that third party cookies aren’t required. One could argue ‘Sign In with Apple’ being a solution to this, but I don’t believe the majority of users will take advantage of the service.
 
You would think that since advertisers are targeting us, that they would know how many and which ads they're spewing to each individual person, and give up after a certain cap but it's like they think that if the first thousand times I've seen the ad and didn't buy didn't work then maybe I might with the next thousand.

The ads for YouTube TV on practically every video on YouTube are a case in point. Do I really want to pay them $65 a month for that?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MacRumors make money this way.

Why would I even consider advertising on MacRumors if I know it's going to waste. And if you didn't know, MacRumors makes money by advertising

Signed by an Android user 😂
Absolutely. Look at Safari AA icon in the search bar under Privacy Report of blocked trackers. Will tell you what tracking ads were blocked. MacRumors at the top of my list for websites. For the tracker apps, Google wins hands down.
 
and they will still get paid off ads. this doesn't stop advertisements. it helps to stop unwarranted tracking.
Exactly. It's to keep an app from peeking at what other stuff we're into.

If I play a certain type of game, the advertizers will know I'm into that sort of game. I play a merge style game, I get lots of ads of other merge style games. When I play dungeon crawl games, I get lots of RPGs, other dungeon crawls and fantasy sims ads. The advertizers think, anyone into dungeon crawl games must be a D&D nerd🤓 so would be interested in fantasy and RPG as well. If I get any...ahem...adult ads, then I'll know someone is tracking me to some questionable sites I visited.🙃

What Apple is doing will keep embarrassing ads from popping up on your phone when your kids are playing a Match 3 game on your phone. Facebook doesn't like this because they want to track everything you do.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MacRumors make money this way.

Why would I even consider advertising on MacRumors if I know it's going to waste. And if you didn't know, MacRumors makes money by advertising

Signed by an Android user 😂

Not really. MacRumors sells ads. People sign in to join in on the comments. The ads they sell here are the usual ads you'd see on a computer nerd website. That's the kind of ads we get here. Just like TV. What's insidious is commercial spying on individuals. Facebook is the greatest collector of data, and that can be combined with other sources of data to create a complete profile of you, which can end up in God knows what hands. Intelligence? Criminal gangs? Apple makes that harder, but only a set of legal guarantees and sanctions for breaking the rules can get it under control. Advertiser should not be allowed to gobble up a whole lot of info about individuals, aside from "what kinds of things might sell well if I advertise on this website." That's how TV works, magazines, billboards, etc. The idea that they can find out anything they can about us, and then somehow have special psychological methods to sell, and that they get this cheaper than ever on the Internet, doesn't seem appealing to me. They have no such right.
 
Doesn't this kind of imply that if people are given the choice, they choose not to be tracked? If tracking was perceived as neutral rather than bad, then people would click to allow tracking, but they don't for the most part.

I once Googled for 'doll's house' looking for a gift for my ex, who enjoyed as a hobby making miniature houses, furniture etc. for our kids to play with. You can imagine the targeted advertising I got for years after that one day - mostly 'escort' services. So, yeah, I do not like tracking and I am glad Apple did makes tracking explicit so we can decide.
 
I am more likely to pay for apps if they do not track me.

One of the big disappointments has been the developers who want both to charge and to gain from advertising and/ or tracking.

The model of offering an advertising-supported "free" version and a paid-for option is fine. But leave the tracking and unexpected advertising out of it.
Developers think its all about them…. Make a good app and people will pay for it.
 
Less revenue for iOS developers, less incentive to develop iOS applications?
Good news is less revenue for developers, if they feel there is less incentive to develop iOS apps , by all means please stop making your crappy iOS apps With in app purchases
 
Does this mean that until the last revision of IOS, this tracking was happening?
 
That's a pretty arrogant view. How do you know if they were tricked and how do you determine, on behalf of other people, what value they think it has? Personally, I have allowed app tracking for my (state) weather app, so far. Only a few other apps asked, for which I disallowed if developers or websites aren't making money, time to close shop
No one wants to be tracked
And if developers or websites can't make money, time to close shop,
why is it up to apple to make things better.
apple isn't a government they don't have to bail out crappy companies
 
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NOT a fan of Facebook, but both of their complaints in that last paragraph are Spot On !
Uh, how do you figure? The ads I've been getting on Instagram since ads on Instagram unfortunately became a thing aren't small businesses. They're uniformly either huge businesses or scammers.
 
Mine was turned on, and so was my colleague's. It's unclear to me, from Apple documentation, what the default is supposed to be. It seems that a default off would be almost the same as just denying always without options, since no normal person is going to do dig into settings and find this. I think it should be on by default, keeping it in line with all other permissions which also ask before use. But it seems to vary. I wonder why and how.
And why wouldn't a normal person want to turn stop tracking on.
you really think normal people don't know how to use settings?
 
This is just going to be temporary because because Google is adding basically the same feature to Android. There are other basic tracking measures out there that are becoming the new normal way of tracking users and that will be the way forward for the time being.

Personally I have noticed a lot more location based ads lately and ads that seem to fit more with the type of app that I am using ;at the time.
Solution: use a good VPN like Proton. Hides your location - applications and web pages seem to think I am in Miami - and Proton filters out all ads and trackers if you want.
 
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