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Apple's Arguments Against Sideloading on iOS: All Your Questions Answered
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when has apple ever pulled out of a market on some make believe principle you think they have? they only care about money
Anal or not, that is the same thing that anti-virus programs do. It's trying to do it, but that by no means guarantees it will be successful at it.
If you believe so then get rid of Apple app store. You can't have one but not the other. That's hypocrisy.
Personally, I've had zero unauthorized purchases and zero issue with sideloading. As a matter of fact, sideloading from reputable sources like Retroarch, Epic, etc. are less risky than Apple app store that has a problem with scamware.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/06/06/apple-app-store-scams-fraud/
Isn't it a good thing simplicity, convenience, security and privacy is profitable?
Freedom should cost a lot of money and people can pay for it by going Android.
Let's be real here. This is about money and not security or privacy. They are afraid that the big game publishers are going to establish their own game stores and thereby circumvent in app payments. It's common knowledge by now that games and in app payments are the real cash cow on the app store.
If security was such a big concern, how do you explain the never ending torrent of zero day exploits we are reading about all the time. And these exploints work not through sideloaded apps but use iMessage, Email or even Bluetooth as an instrusion vector.
They have the smartest and best paid programmers on their payroll. Maybe they should use those rescources to make sideloading secure for everyone.
If security was such a big concern, how do you explain the never ending torrent of zero day exploits we are reading about all the time. And these exploints work not through sideloaded apps but use iMessage, Email or even Bluetooth as an instrusion vector.
They have the smartest and best paid programmers on their payroll. Maybe they should use those rescources to make sideloading secure for everyone.
since you can't sideload the only way for an app to scam someone is to be downloaded through the app store of which there are many scams
Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams
Apple claims its App Store is carefully curated so that only the best apps get through. The truth is, the App Store is littered with scams and "fleeceware," which uses fake user ratings to trick customers into paying for something they don't want.
www.washingtonpost.com
The purpose of side loading is to take away control from Apple and turning it over to the user.
If Apple has to be part of side loading it isn't really side loading since Apple can refuse to sign the app.
I mean, what's the purpose of Apple signing an app if they have to sign every app?
You're too egotistical to see past yourself and your experience.
Unauthorized purchases can only happen through the App Store if the App Store exists. Likewise, the deep infiltration from unsigned code can only happen if unsigned code is possible to run. I've never said the I've been a victim of unauthorized purchases, but I know plenty who have been (those who have kids that have used their devices, for example).
Also, disagreeing with two quite different things that have a small similarity does not a hypocrite make. https://******.app/?q=hypocrite
Just my two-cents, Apple isn't worried about Sideloading in General, they're worried about Sideloading of Game Apps that would prevent them from generating that 70% of App Store Revenue from less than 10% of Apple consumers !
There are two Use Cases, & they need to be separated:
1.) Game Apps (& Apple Arcade) ... this part of the App Store is doing well, & Apple will fiercely defend it.
2.) NON-Game Apps ... this part of the App Store is broken, BIG time !
If one strips-off the 70% & the Revenue Apple makes from streaming media apps, there's ONLY 5-10% of Revenue left-over.
This is the area that needs fixing !
Make NO mistake, that part of the App Store is catastrophically broken !
Also, for the Record, I made an "Official" request to Apple regarding side loading just-yesterday, thru multiple channels, & followed-up again this morning:
At a MIN, Apple should allow side loading of "Notarized" iOS apps on M1 Macs !
That would be a nice first step !
Xcode will need to be updated to support the same feature / capability currently offered for macOS apps.
Ultimately, Apple should allow side loading of "Notarized" iOS NON-Game apps on iOS devices !
I do NOT believe Apple will ever allow it for Game Apps, so, naturally, to move forward, one needs to separate the two !
There are two Use Cases, & they need to be separated:
1.) Game Apps (& Apple Arcade) ... this part of the App Store is doing well, & Apple will fiercely defend it.
2.) NON-Game Apps ... this part of the App Store is broken, BIG time !
If one strips-off the 70% & the Revenue Apple makes from streaming media apps, there's ONLY 5-10% of Revenue left-over.
This is the area that needs fixing !
Make NO mistake, that part of the App Store is catastrophically broken !
Also, for the Record, I made an "Official" request to Apple regarding side loading just-yesterday, thru multiple channels, & followed-up again this morning:
At a MIN, Apple should allow side loading of "Notarized" iOS apps on M1 Macs !
That would be a nice first step !
Xcode will need to be updated to support the same feature / capability currently offered for macOS apps.
Ultimately, Apple should allow side loading of "Notarized" iOS NON-Game apps on iOS devices !
I do NOT believe Apple will ever allow it for Game Apps, so, naturally, to move forward, one needs to separate the two !
Let me clarify: can you provide evidence for both: only 1% of android users side load and: most of the malware and scams on Android come straight for the official app store.since you can't sideload the only way for an app to scam someone is to be downloaded through the app store of which there are many scams
Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams
Apple claims its App Store is carefully curated so that only the best apps get through. The truth is, the App Store is littered with scams and "fleeceware," which uses fake user ratings to trick customers into paying for something they don't want.
They could have condensed it to a nice and tidy statement for all of these...
Because we can't take all of your money if we allowed side loading.
Because we can't take all of your money if we allowed side loading.
Even the App Store reduces security. An iOS device with no possibility to install any app would be more secure.
It's all about balancing security, convenience, utility, a vibrant app market etc.
Same -- I use almost no software at all that is in the MAS.
If they lock down the Mac, iOS style, the platform is dead to me.
Yep - It's exactly about this.
Apple is making a freakin' mint of addictive games and their IAP $$
Then Apple should say that. It wouldn't take a big change in wording. Something like "Gatekeeper attempts to identify malicious code...". Their current wording is misleading.
I'm by no means defending the claims of every anti-virus program out there, I haven't looked at what their claims are vs what they actually do. I just find it misleading to say Gatekeeper ensures security when it suits them and then use that as a point against the Mac's security later.
If I say the seatbelt in your car will ensure your survival in a crash, I can't then claim that that same seatbelt is unsafe and you should expect it to fail.
You lost most of us when you immediately dismiss "freedom of choice" like this.
It's a pretty damned big deal
yep!
this article details how "the report shows that 0.09 percent of devices that only run Play apps have PHAs on them, while 0.61 percent of devices that also run apps from third-party locations have PHAs."
here's the article as well as the android security report the information is from
Google Data Shows Tiny Fraction of Android Devices Run Malicious Apps
A new transparency report on Android security shows that far less than one percent of all devices have a potentially harmful app running on them.
Google Transparency Report
Isn't the purpose to transfer power to the end user and remove Apple from the process?
What's the purpose if Apple continues to approve or reject the apps even if they are distributed outside the App Store?
Would it be acceptable to you that Apple charged 30% for distribution through other distribution methods and had final say if the app was accepted? It seems that way since you are only ofter signed code distributed outside the App Store.
I've not once argued that the App Store doesn't have scams or fraud, but to suggest for e.g., Epic has your back is pretty laughable.
Epic Games Responds to Privacy Concerns About its Store
Epic Games responded to concerns about the Epic Games Store copying a Steam file, regularly accessing root certificates, and tracking user activity.
and here's the second part of your request
Play Store identified as main distribution vector for most Android malware
Mammoth research project using Symantec (now NortonLifeLock) telemetry confirms what everyone suspected.
www.zdnet.com
Isn't the purpose of side loading to move the decision to the end user 100%?
This only moves the power from Apple to some other entity.
PHA != side loaded apps. PHA == apps that they classify as potentially harmful (i.e., this survey is trying to put a number on how many devices have what they are classifying has potentially malware). This does not have a directly correlation reported for how many of those apps are side loaded or not.yep!
this article details how "the report shows that 0.09 percent of devices that only run Play apps have PHAs on them, while 0.61 percent of devices that also run apps from third-party locations have PHAs."
here's the article as well as the android security report the information is from
Google Data Shows Tiny Fraction of Android Devices Run Malicious Apps
A new transparency report on Android security shows that far less than one percent of all devices have a potentially harmful app running on them.duo.com
Google Transparency Report
transparencyreport.google.com
I'd like to see some evidence of your claims.
I don't really need sideloading for iOS beyond what's already possible from Xcode. But if they are going to keep that policy in place, they should open up their store for more kinds of official apps - like virtualization software.