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The important part of that process however is eventually those scam apps are removed. Side loading means users will download apps they are never aware are scams and will keep using those apps. None will tell them its a scam app and those apps will stay online for users to keep downloading.

Any system will eventually accidentally let something bad through. Whats important is the system keeps at it and adapts.
The word "eventually" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.
 
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And so they begin laying the groundwork for locking down the Mac. I mean, morally and ethically, according to everything they've said, how could they not?

They've flatly stated that sideloading is the criminal's best friend, so how could they in good conscience continue to allow it on one of their platforms?
They have outright denied locking down the Mac, which makes sense, because it's a different type of computing device with different security tradeoffs. What they will do instead is try to get as many people over to iOS (or iPadOS) that don't need macOS.
 
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And so they begin laying the groundwork for locking down the Mac. I mean, morally and ethically, according to everything they've said, how could they not?

They've flatly stated that sideloading is the criminal's best friend, so how could they in good conscience continue to allow it on one of their platforms
Because at this point they will literally say anything to avoid being forced to give up App Store revenue. Including throwing the Mac under the bus and exaggerating the state of it.
 
They have outright denied locking down the Mac, which makes sense, because it's a different type of computing device with different security tradeoffs. What they will do instead is try to get as many people over to iOS (or iPadOS) that don't need macOS.
The Mac would be non-functional if locked to the App Store. 90% of what is installed on my Mac did not come from the App Store.
 
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And so they begin laying the groundwork for locking down the Mac. I mean, morally and ethically, according to everything they've said, how could they not?

They've flatly stated that sideloading is the criminal's best friend, so how could they in good conscience continue to allow it on one of their platforms?
I think they'll be in for a rude awakening if they try to restrict installing software from outside the Mac app store. I love my Mac but I'd walk away in a heartbeat over that.
 
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The people who want to be able to sideload with iOS are never going to be convinced. Frankly, I suspect many are persuing this out of sheer vindictiveness toward Apple. Others are doing so strictly for selfish reasons with no regard to what it might mean for others in the Apple ecosystem. But know this - once the cat is out of the bag, there's no putting it back. Once malware begins turning up on Apple devices as it does now on Android products, it'll all be over. And I'll go back to a flip phone.
If side loading were possible:
1. Nothing forces you to download from elsewhere.
2. Nothing forces you to download from less than reputable sources if you choose to download from elsewhere.

Why is that so complicated to understand? Nothing happens to YOU personally, or your device, as a user, unless you were to make poor choices.

I don't understand why people make this argument. This is a non-argument. Even Apple tries to make this argument, and they know as well as anyone that it is flawed.

Apple simply can't say the truth, which is that it is 10,000% about not losing App Store revenue, period.
 
I think they'll be in for a rude awakening if they try to restrict installing software from outside the Mac app store. I love my Mac but I'd walk away in a heartbeat over that.
Yep! This is why they'd never do this. On the contrary, if they opened up side loading on iOS, many might walk away for some future OS that maintains privacy. I'd probably just get into the business of making malware.
 
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So basically this reads like " Users are stupid and should only be allowed what we tell them. If you are intelligent and trained, too bad. We are lumping you in as 'also stupid'."

Talk about a contradictory article. :oops:
Well the only reason malware exists is because people are stupid. There is no malware on my Macs, because I'm not.
But the amount of malware that does circulate for Mac, Windows, and Android is an indicator of how stupid many people are.
 
Not wanting to get political, but just an interesting observation: This article is very similar to arguments for or against mandatory vaccination. eg “what do we value more: freedom or safety?”, etc.
 
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If side loading were possible:
1. Nothing forces you to download from elsewhere.
2. Nothing forces you to download from less than reputable sources if you choose to download from elsewhere.

Why is that so complicated to understand? Nothing happens to YOU personally, or your device, as a user, unless you were to make poor choices.

I don't understand why people make this argument. This is a non-argument. Even Apple tries to make this argument, and they know as well as anyone that it is flawed.

Apple simply can't say the truth, which is that it is 10,000% about not losing App Store revenue, period.
If side loading were possible:
1 and 2. If you don't download from elsewhere, your device is still less secure.

Why is this so complicated to understand? YOU haven't allowed side loading personally, on your device, as a user, even though those around you have, and now your network has been infiltrated.

I don't understand why people make this argument. This is a non-argument. Apple has made it clear why this argument is a real argument, and anyone with some basic reading skills could go read it and see why it's solid.

Apple simply can't say the truth, which is that it is 99% about not losing App Store revenue, and only 1% about privacy.
 
I think they'll be in for a rude awakening if they try to restrict installing software from outside the Mac app store. I love my Mac but I'd walk away in a heartbeat over that.
I know. Me, too.

But, really, how can they not at this point?

Their melodramatic rhetoric about how sideloading is a criminal's paradise and how the Mac is "failing" as a secure platform has basically turned it into a moral imperative on their part.
 
Yep! This is why they'd never do this.
I mean, it sure does sound like they're gearing up for it.

On the contrary, if they opened up side loading on iOS, many might walk away for some future OS that maintains privacy.
Doubtful. The average user willingly uses Facebook, I don't think they pay as much mind to security as you might think. And besides, where else would you go?

I'd probably just get into the business of making malware.
So, basically you'd try ensure the problem exists by doing your best to cause it? Sounds like a real scumbag move.
 
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So basically this reads like " Users are stupid and should only be allowed what we tell them. If you are intelligent and trained, too bad. We are lumping you in as 'also stupid'."

Talk about a contradictory article. :oops:
Shh. They knows what's best. Just shut up, open your wallet wide -- wider, wider, wider, there ya go, that's it -- and do as you're told.
 
They have outright denied locking down the Mac, which makes sense, because it's a different type of computing device with different security tradeoffs. What they will do instead is try to get as many people over to iOS (or iPadOS) that don't need macOS.
They've outright denied they'd ever let backdoor spyware on to their devices/os's as well, but one CSAM later and here we are
 
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I mean, it sure does sound like they're gearing up for it.
Except they've explicitly said they won't, because macs have a different purpose.

Doubtful. The average user willingly uses Facebook, I don't think they pay as much mind to security as you might think. And besides, where else would you go?
I'm suggesting that Apple has the data on people who care about security, wether perceived or not. The Facebook's of the world have lost out on billions due to Apple's privacy initiatives, so there's at least some public-facing data about how many users care about security.

So, basically you'd try ensure the problem exists by doing your best to cause it? Sounds like a real scumbag move.
I'm using hyperbole to relate what many people will do when the treasure trove is opened. Don't need to ensure the problem exists --- it already does (look at Android). The fact that so much more commerce happens with iOS users means there's a lot more money to be made, and make no mistake that bad actors will do everything they can to get what they want.
 
They've outright denied they'd ever let backdoor spyware on to their devices/os's as well, but one CSAM later and here we are
But the children! Why won't you think of the children!

That's the bit that was extra nauseating for me.

But it hardly matters now. The EU is already talking about passing laws to force that type of scanning for other things, like terrorist intent and links to organized crime.

It's a short jaunt from there to monitoring our devices in real time for a whole exotic bestiary of horrifying thought crimes.
 
They've outright denied they'd ever let backdoor spyware on to their devices/os's as well, but one CSAM later and here we are
Again, someone speaking out of their rear-end that has little understanding of what Apple's proposed CSAM-scanning technology would do.
 
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It's a shame that Apple's position is self-serving and customer-serving (or so they say) at the same time.
 
If apps can be side-loaded, then they can circumvent AppStore fees, including In-App Purchase fees, which account for roughly 20% of their revenue.
How do you figure that? All services account for 25% of revenue. I am pretty sure that in-app fees don't amount to 80% of all services.
 
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