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linuxcooldude

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I think you've missed the point entirely. With a personal device, your device just has to quickly identify a pattern which matches the stored pattern. The only pattern the phone cares about is yours and it has to be within some margin of error.

Now you look at an organization where you have to potentially match thousands of patterns to identify someone, it becomes a little more complicating and security is tighter in those cases.

Ever heard of the Security, Functionality, Usability triangle? For example, that's why the routers you buy implement WPA2 Personal, while companies will rely on WPA2 Enterprise.

If you mean for business use? If so TouchID and Apple Pay was geared to consumer use, not so much for businesses. Consumers are potentially a bigger market. But a lot of Apple products eventually go from consumer use to business use.
 

OhHaiThere

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Sep 8, 2011
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If you mean for business use? If so TouchID and Apple Pay was geared to consumer use, not so much for businesses. Consumers are potentially a bigger market. But a lot of Apple products eventually go from consumer use to business use.

You've completely missed the point. You're comparing TouchID to much more sophisticated system which you've been blasting as being somehow inferior to Apples implementation. I'm merely telling you that you can't compare TouchID to commercial/enterprise/business/whatever you want to call it systems that MacModMachine is referring to.
 

dec.

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Apr 15, 2012
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Still prefer a pattern since it's much quicker to unlock and is legally protected unlike a fingerprint that the court can force you to give up. On a side note, our company evaluated Authentec USB fingerprint readers around 2007 and rejected them.

It's no surprise that you "prefer" it, but either way - how is it physically possible to use a swipe pattern to be faster than simply putting your thumb on the home button while grabbing the phone? Unless you're talking about the well criticized "swipe in the right angle" readers used by Samsung, but that's comparing Apples and Samsungs.

And on a side note, well, good for your company. Apparently not only Apple considered Authentec to be pretty good technology.
 

linuxcooldude

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You've completely missed the point. You're comparing TouchID to much more sophisticated system which you've been blasting as being somehow inferior to Apples implementation. I'm merely telling you that you can't compare TouchID to commercial/enterprise/business/whatever you want to call it systems that MacModMachine is referring to.

Which is why a commercial finger print scanner would not work in a consumer market. It has to be fast, accurate and work the first time. The average consumer does not want repeated reads to unlock the phone and pay for products.

MacModMachine blasting the consumer version is really consumer vs enterprise which does not go hand in hand. Like I said before, our current finger scanner can't even read a few peoples prints at all. Something that would not fly in the consumer market.
 

masotime

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Jun 24, 2012
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It's no surprise that you "prefer" it, but either way - how is it physically possible to use a swipe pattern to be faster than simply putting your thumb on the home button while grabbing the phone? Unless you're talking about the well criticized "swipe in the right angle" readers used by Samsung, but that's comparing Apples and Samsungs.

And on a side note, well, good for your company. Apparently not only Apple considered Authentec to be pretty good technology.

He's probably using it wrong... literally. Most people don't realize that you can both turn on and authenticate your iPhone using the fingerprint sensor by pressing / depressing quickly and leaving your thumb there for half a second. It's an almost invisible process that requires no additional swiping and tapping - no other authentication method can possibly be faster, unless it's some kind of futuristic brainwave-proximity sensor....
 

viorelgn

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Sep 16, 2013
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If one company (AuthenTec) is making finger print sensors for multiple vendors (Apple, Motorola, Samsung), then in all likelihood even if the sensor looks slightly different on the outside, the underlying technology is identical. i.e. AuthenTec makes one sensor in several configurations. If another company put the effort into making a comparable competing sensor, then you would actually have competition in the market which would lead to better sensors.
 
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