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I had 2 of these, both went defective within 5 months and both the replacements went duff as well.
 
Seems like an interesting thing, maybe (hopefully) Apple will do something cool with the tech.

Ballistocardiography is a cool word. Reminds me of Mary Poppins for some reason...

Out of stock device for ballistocardiography
Even just the sound of it can makes one feel quite sleepy
Similar in some ways to photoplethysmography
Out of stock device for ballistocardiography
 
Well, the one I just set up for my wife is definitely going back to the apple store now. It told her she got 8 hours of sleep when it was more like 6.5. You also need to tap a button to start the tracking, as if it can't just detect that someone is on top of it with noticeable changes in the vitals it's tracking.
 
I'm getting so tired of huge companies buying smaller ones with cool products, then killing those products and not creating anything similar or better.

My most heartbreaking example is Sparrow. I STILL miss that E-mail client. It was amazing. And Google bought the company and murdered the app in cold blood.
There was a great Office app that google bought and killed. Now we are stuck with sheets and doc.
 
Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep. It's not like they offer recommendations that will improve the quality of sleep other then the standard do not drink caffeine, or go to bed on time or the other usual cliches. The idea that someone needs an app or device that measures sleep "performance" is ridiculous. If it could be used to improve sleep, sure, like step counts get people motivated more to exercise and move around that improves health, but a device or app telling you you didn't sleep well when you are struggling to get out of bed in the morning is just dumb and in many cases the "anxiety" of ensuring the device will properly report your sleep is enough to keep people restless at night. I think in this case Apple is right in not building sleep tracking into Apple Watch. I have had sleep tracking on two products already and the result was a completely lack of any useful information other then to know what I already know, when I wake up feeling like ****, or wake up feeling great, I don't need an app to tell me the obvious. Sleep tracking is another "smart hairbrush" kind of health device that sound cool until you waste money on them and realize they are completely useless.
It's pretty arrogant to just say sleep tracking is a farce "because you already know if you slept well." The entire post is just an uneducated opinion disguised as fact. This product is very useful if you need to monitor your sleep, see how caffeine or certain noise levels may affect you, see what times of the night you tend to fall out of (or fall into) deep sleep, and so on. Once you have data (i.e. via quality sleep tracking), you can make correlations with particular habits or environmental factors. There may be useless sleep tracking products, but sleep tracking in and of itself can be very important as it relates to managing certain health conditions.
 
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Well, the one I just set up for my wife is definitely going back to the apple store now. It told her she got 8 hours of sleep when it was more like 6.5. You also need to tap a button to start the tracking, as if it can't just detect that someone is on top of it with noticeable changes in the vitals it's tracking.
Read the instructions. It can do that.
 
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I've been using an app called Sleep Watch for several months, and as long as my Series 1 watch is around 40-50% charged when I go to bed, it tracks my sleep just great and still has about 15-20% remaining in the morning. I then take off my watch and charge in the morning while I'm showering and getting ready, and after about 30-40 minutes of charging (with an iPad charging brick), it's at 100% and good for the day.
I use AutoSleep and you don't have to waste so much % on any sleep tracking app.
Just put your watch in Airplane mode, I can lose 2-3% per night on my Apple Watch Series 3
 
I'm getting so tired of huge companies buying smaller ones with cool products, then killing those products and not creating anything similar or better.
That alone is so deprivating that I lose consciousness at fixed intervals - and don't need a sleep tracker anymore.
Problem solved.
 
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I have sleep apnea and bought this to better track my breathing. For that it did well. Then it died after about 5 months. $149 down the drain.
 
I have sleep apnea and bought this to better track my breathing. For that it did well. Then it died after about 5 months. $149 down the drain.
Congrats if maintaining your breathe function did cost you less than $1/night (...)
 
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Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep.

I had undiagnosed sleep apnea for quite a few years. I went to bed on time, got up on time, and was still dragging during the day, for a then-unknown reason.

Tell me again that a device that measures quality of sleep is a farce.
 
Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep. .

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.

One simple application of this technology improved my sleep without any advice or input from my part. It simply tracked my REM cycles while I slept and woke me up in the morning gradually at the end of a sleep cycle, rather than abruptly inside of it. That alone is worth the price of admission.

Whether you wake up groggy and/or disoriented depends entirely on when in your sleep cycle you were awaken. If you awaken inside of a REM cycle, you are in the deepest of sleep and it takes your brain some time to adjust. If you've finished a cycle and are awaken gradually after that, and before you go into REM, then you will wake up refreshed. You cannot manually control your REM cycle or calculate it to land on when you set your alarm. But a machine with knowledge of your REM cycle can.

Further, while I didn't care to find out the data about my sleep, that data can be useful to feed to machine learning to identify patterns in your sleep and build a personalized sleep profile that can give you timed advice on exactly when to go to sleep and can autonomously control things like temperature through HomeKit to give you ideal sleeping conditions.


No reason to assume that an Apple Watch couldn't receive data from a sleep monitor while in nightstand mode.

This is my bet too. Apple is developing accessories for AppleWatch. Now that LTE is out of the way, that's their next big play. When the next AppleWatch is announced, it'll be announced with an official accessory program and Apple will be launching with a glucose bracelet and a sleep monitor alongside a screen full of third party partners.
 
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Do not disturb mode

Haven't tried that but I will next time I am stuck with my phone by my bed in hotel room. At home it charges overnight in my office. Sleep experts recommend keeping these devices out of your bedroom entirely.
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This is my bet too. Apple is developing accessories for AppleWatch. Now that LTE is out of the way, that's their next big play. When the next AppleWatch is announced, it'll be announced with an official accessory program and Apple will be launching with a glucose bracelet and a sleep monitor alongside a screen full of third party partners.

Might not have to wait for the next generation of hardware since the current generations all supported both Wi-fi and Bluetooth.
 
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Gotta like these quiet "pull the plug" type issues with Apple... Perhaps if we don't tell anyone, less will know about it.
 
Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep. It's not like they offer recommendations that will improve the quality of sleep other then the standard do not drink caffeine, or go to bed on time or the other usual cliches.

The idea that someone needs an app or device that measures sleep "performance" is ridiculous. If it could be used to improve sleep, sure, like step counts get people motivated more to exercise and move around that improves health, but a device or app telling you you didn't sleep well when you are struggling to get out of bed in the morning is just dumb and in many cases the "anxiety" of ensuring the device will properly report your sleep is enough to keep people restless at night.

I think in this case Apple is right in not building sleep tracking into Apple Watch. I have had sleep tracking on two products already and the result was a completely lack of any useful information other then to know what I already know, when I wake up feeling like ****, or wake up feeling great, I don't need an app to tell me the obvious.

Sleep tracking is another "smart hairbrush" kind of health device that sound cool until you waste money on them and realize they are completely useless.


Actually sleep tracking is one of best and least expensive methods of identifying medical issues.

I started on capon in 1998 and have used it ever since. Moved to auto-titration when that system came out and I keep moving to new technologies when they come out if they are appropriate. Huge gains have been made in areas like Congestive Here Failure using pap systems. It all comes down to getting some basic information on how you sleep - event when you feel you slept well. There is some solid information at resmed.com.au that goes far past these;eep tracking in this article. Information from ResMed paps are going to be important to Apple, just like BP, Pulse PulseOx, Glucose levels, etc.
 
Beddit has been sold out at various occasions in the past due to their approach to produce in batches.

Apple doesn’t have any commercial or otherwise strategic interest to discontinue a strongly selling product without having a replacement ready, which, given the relatively short timeframe, is unlikely. Unless they have something in the pipeline that is going to be announced soon.

However I‘d be surprised if they had been able to integrate beddit‘s BCG technology so quickly.

At this point in time it may be too early to read anything into the supply shortage.
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Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep. It's not like they offer recommendations that will improve the quality of sleep other then the standard do not drink caffeine, or go to bed on time or the other usual cliches.

The idea that someone needs an app or device that measures sleep "performance" is ridiculous. If it could be used to improve sleep, sure, like step counts get people motivated more to exercise and move around that improves health, but a device or app telling you you didn't sleep well when you are struggling to get out of bed in the morning is just dumb and in many cases the "anxiety" of ensuring the device will properly report your sleep is enough to keep people restless at night.

I think in this case Apple is right in not building sleep tracking into Apple Watch. I have had sleep tracking on two products already and the result was a completely lack of any useful information other then to know what I already know, when I wake up feeling like ****, or wake up feeling great, I don't need an app to tell me the obvious.

Sleep tracking is another "smart hairbrush" kind of health device that sound cool until you waste money on them and realize they are completely useless.

Disagree. BCG technology as used in the beddit can help identify medical issues eg sleep apnoe (because it measures breathing), HR arrhythmia, and elevated sleep HR. It doesn‘t compare to sleep lab precision, but it is convenient, and it allows for latitudinal data collection and analysis.
 
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That could happen too, but personally I don't like having my phone in the bedroom at night. Muted it still vibrates. I suspect many others who are not good sleepers feel the same way, and they'd be the market for sleep monitoring.
Do Not Disturb turns off vibration. I have that enabled automatically.
 
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That could happen too, but personally I don't like having my phone in the bedroom at night. Muted it still vibrates. I suspect many others who are not good sleepers feel the same way, and they'd be the market for sleep monitoring.

While you may not choose to have your phone in the bedroom, that's fairly uncommon. Apple doesn't make products for the small exception, they make them for the majority of users. Most keep their phone by their bedside. In fact, more than 46% of people check their phone before getting out of bed each morning. So having it connect with their phone would be a logical route to go.

Even it wouldn't even have to connect with the iPhone directly. As long as the device could connect to the same wifi network the iPhone is connected to, it can send that data to the phone and HealthKit. Even if your phone was in the other room, it would still be able to send the data over.
 
I hope they're still making them or rolling up the technology into an Apple style product. Though this doesn't 'feel' like something Apple would tackle directly with their own brand currently. It's at odds with the wearable market place compared to the Apple Watch's competitors that do sleep tracking... I don't think they want to be seen as 'Oh you have to buy an Apple Watch & an Apple sleep tracker'.

The device itself has been great for me, I've used it since the Beddit 2 with great success. I measure that by the smart alarm.

I can easily see a more contextually aware sleep tracker that would be even more effective, meaning, taking a person's data from Apple Health and correlating it with sleep patterns.

There are a lot of avenues to improve people's overall wellness via recognizing patterns through platforms like Apple Health, I don't think they bought Beddit to do less of that.
 
Sleep tracking is a farce because you already know if you slept well or not, and these things do not improve sleep. It's not like they offer recommendations that will improve the quality of sleep other then the standard do not drink caffeine, or go to bed on time or the other usual cliches.

The idea that someone needs an app or device that measures sleep "performance" is ridiculous. If it could be used to improve sleep, sure, like step counts get people motivated more to exercise and move around that improves health, but a device or app telling you you didn't sleep well when you are struggling to get out of bed in the morning is just dumb and in many cases the "anxiety" of ensuring the device will properly report your sleep is enough to keep people restless at night.

I think in this case Apple is right in not building sleep tracking into Apple Watch. I have had sleep tracking on two products already and the result was a completely lack of any useful information other then to know what I already know, when I wake up feeling like ****, or wake up feeling great, I don't need an app to tell me the obvious.

Sleep tracking is another "smart hairbrush" kind of health device that sound cool until you waste money on them and realize they are completely useless.

Says the person that doesn’t have sleep problems.
 
"Apple buys smaller technology companies from time to time, and we do not disclose the fact that in spite of having more cash than most countries, we're probably going to kill off any associated products — or even our own products — and just leave users out in the cold."
And...
There are many millionaires out there who create a company with a half baked idea, get to the 'demo' phase and then sell out to those big companies. Rinse and repease a few times and these people don't need to work ever again.
For them it is their ticket to that tropical paradise and a never ending supply of Pina-colladas.
How many people would not do this given the opportunity?
 
While you may not choose to have your phone in the bedroom, that's fairly uncommon. Apple doesn't make products for the small exception, they make them for the majority of users. Most keep their phone by their bedside. In fact, more than 46% of people check their phone before getting out of bed each morning. So having it connect with their phone would be a logical route to go.

Even it wouldn't even have to connect with the iPhone directly. As long as the device could connect to the same wifi network the iPhone is connected to, it can send that data to the phone and HealthKit. Even if your phone was in the other room, it would still be able to send the data over.

I can't speak to what other people do (though it seems more than half don't check their phones before getting out of bed, which I find reassuring), but I do know that sleep experts tell us not to keep these devices in our bedrooms. If you are a disordered sleeper you are going to take that advice. Apple created nightshift for those who can't stand to be separated from their phones even while they are asleep, so it seems they are fully aware of the health implications of looking at these screens when you should be preparing your brain for sleep.

But as you say, being on the same Wi-fi network would be the same as having the phone in the bedroom in terms of the ability of a sleep monitor to send data to your phone. That was my original point. My other point was, a Bluetooth device could talk to Apple Watch directly without your iPhone being nearby.
 
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