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Don’t know if the Apple VR/AR will be any good or not. I don’t plan to buy any immersive VR experience, don’t plan on doing meetings in VR, and won‘t play games in VR because I don’t play them now. Would buy a decent, low key AR system in glasses that look normal, that integrates with the Apple-verse and offers all day battery life.
 
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interesting article, but what makes a product a "flop"? Apple doesn't release units sold so really hard to judge ... me personally I think the AirPods Max are flop cause of the price point and the hideous case but I know that others like them.
Additionally, dome Apple products are niche products, eg MacPro, some people need them, most don't.

Flop imho only Apple can define, beyond the sheer #s (revenue, # units sold ...) it's personal
Right! What does make a product a flop?!? Because the way I see it, every project is a learning experience and a stepping stone for the next project.

Great points!
 
Vision Pro could end up being added to the list of flops:

$3,500
2 hour battery life
Unlikely has full MacOS desktop apps
How much more productive will you be in VisionPro compared with on a $1,500 MacBook Air 15 inch.

Sounds like the most immature hardware since the iPad 3.
 
Vision Pro could end up being added to the list of flops:

$3,500
2 hour battery life
Unlikely has full MacOS desktop apps
How much more productive will you be in VisionPro compared with on a $1,500 MacBook Air 15 inch.

Sounds like the most immature hardware since the iPad 3.
The obsession with being “more productive” is really about being more distracted. Vision Pro will likely excel at that. Most tech these days has nothing to do with increasing productivity and everything to do with monetizing the insatiable need for more distraction and disconnection from reality.
 
Vision Pro could end up being added to the list of flops:

A product that hasn't launched yet is a flop?

How much more productive will you be in VisionPro compared with on a $1,500 MacBook Air 15 inch.

That's a great question, and we won't know for quite a while.

The optimistic view: you're essentially strapping a huge display on your head. Are you more productive with a MacBook Air once you connect it to two 24-inch displays on your desk? Yeah, probably, because you get more screen estate. You can arrange windows more freely, and simply see more stuff at a time.

So it boils down to "how well does it work?", and that frankly remains to be seen.

Unlikely has full MacOS desktop apps

Yeah, and I wonder if that's a mistake.

 
Gotta bow up and defend Lisa's good name. Flop! No way man! ;)

Maybe it was a flop in the sense it didn't make lots of money and sell well, but man I can remember the day Daddy brought it home like it was yesterday. Huge box for the main unit, plus the over-sized box for the Profile--that amazing piece of tech with a whopping 5Mb of spinning / whirring data storage goodness!

Yikes was that thing expensive! The Profile was the thing that made Daddy nervous...said it was super delicate and to not touch it little boy!

The ten volume three-ring binder users manual "library" came in its own big box, each in a purple outer hard sleeve box, then sheathed in a glossy purple macro art sleeve (I still have them all too.) Now that's how users manuals are supposed to be! No sloppy ass PDF you gotta go download.

One vivid memory I have of the olden days of Apple and the Lisa...Big box came to the house from Apple. Inside was a new front cover with only one floppy opening and a new module for the new style floppy drive. All user serviceable, and it just showed up from Apple out of the blue pretty sure. They used to do that with system updates too, remember that? It was easy enough to pop off the old cover that had two floppy slots, trade out the disk drive module, and put it all back together. The upgrade kit also came with a huge stack of software disks on those new weird hard shell ones replacing the big true "floppy" ones.

Could go on and on. That machine set me down the forever path of Mac OS and many fond memories. Lost that Lisa in perfect working order a couple of years ago in a fire...

It was my second Apple computer, and have never owned a PC. Many hundred Windows VMs, but no physical PC box!

Good article, and you can clearly tell how old people are based on their responses. Fun stuff:)
I loved the Lisa, S&L I worked for bought 2 with the 3270 cards. Talk about expensive. Great terminals. Gone in a year along with the S&L.
 
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I got my 100 Newton from Apple as a freebie, I got roped into taking a class in Kansas City, they were passing them out like candy, all extras included. The guy at Apple that wrote the OS was teaching the language for a week. Apple took out for dinner one night and then rented out a movie to see demolition man complete with dm pinball machine. very strange. Still have the newton and some other newtons. not a flop but wasn't exactly a hit either.
 
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I got my 100 Newton from Apple as a freebie, I got roped into taking a class in Kansas City, they were passing them out like candy, all extras included. The guy at Apple that wrote the OS was teaching the language for a week. Apple took out for dinner one night and then rented out a movie to see demolition man complete with dm pinball machine. very strange. Still have the newton and some other newtons. not a flop but wasn't exactly a hit either.

Yea, the Newton MP was one of those where teh idea was ahead of teh tech. I still have my Newton, and reviewed teh 2K version for a print (remember them) publication. It really was a nice machine and with the keyboard a good portable computer in the days when laptops were not that common.
 
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Vision Pro could end up being added to the list of flops:

$3,500
2 hour battery life
Unlikely has full MacOS desktop apps
How much more productive will you be in VisionPro compared with on a $1,500 MacBook Air 15 inch.

Sounds like the most immature hardware since the iPad 3.
You are kidding, right? Of course it is immature hardware, duh. It is v1.0 of a whole new genre for Apple.

IMO even if the AVP fails to gain market traction (like the Newton) that would not make it a flop, because it is an important evolutionary step just like the Newton was.
 
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A product that hasn't launched yet is a flop?



That's a great question, and we won't know for quite a while.

The optimistic view: you're essentially strapping a huge display on your head. Are you more productive with a MacBook Air once you connect it to two 24-inch displays on your desk? Yeah, probably, because you get more screen estate. You can arrange windows more freely, and simply see more stuff at a time.

So it boils down to "how well does it work?", and that frankly remains to be seen.



Yeah, and I wonder if that's a mistake.
MBA will not drive two displays, so there is that.
 
The Vision pro might work in the professionell world, say manufacturing or interior design or configuration or instruction, a bit like the iPad Pro does. Serious gamers might use it as well.

But essentially I don't see people cover their eyes for longer like being blinded. The vision would need to be more like a head up display in an aircraft cockpit with a semitransparent mirror that puts additional information as a layer above the real world. Like giving you directions, labelling people in a crowd with names and job functions, showing you where to find something or what to do next and such.
Imagine you were it in the subway or even when walking, unaware what is going on around you? Just no.

From my view: It needs to be made more like glasses with real world viewing available. Or even like a personal 3D laser beamer that can be worn like a cap?:D
 
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The Vision pro might work in the professionell world, say manufacturing or interior design or configuration or instruction, a bit like the iPad Pro does. Serious gamers might use it as well.

But essentially I don't see people cover their eyes for longer like being blinded. The vision would need to be more like a head up display in an aircraft cockpit with a semitransparent mirror that puts additional information as a layer above the real world. Like giving you directions, labelling people in a crowd with names and job functions, showing you where to find something or what to do next and such.
Imagine you were it in the subway or even when walking, unaware what is going on around you? Just no.

From my view: It needs to be made more like glasses with real world viewing available. Or even like a personal 3D laser beamer that can be worn like a cap?:D
You’re already describing what Vision Pro does… 😉
 
I never looked through one but a "pro" MS device I have used was just like a screen blocking the real world view. All around view but virtual only.
 
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