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What about iPod Socks? Or is that considered "soft"ware?

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Released in 1983, Lisa officially stood for "Local Integrated Software Architecture," but was actually a backronym invented later to fit the name of Steve Jobs' daughter, Lisa. Apple positioned it as a business computer and an alternative to the Apple II. While previous computers relied on text-based interfaces and keyboard input, Lisa was the first personal computer to feature a graphical UI and mouse, interface innovations both first seen in action by Jobs during a visit to Xerox Parc's research lab in Silicon Valley.

Despite this, starting at just shy of ten grand (around $29,905 by today's standards), the Lisa was prohibitively expensive for all but the wealthiest of households, and the computer was a flop. By 1986, Apple had only managed to sell around 100,000 units, and the entire Lisa platform was discontinued. Apple was even forced to dispose of some 2,700 Lisas in a landfill in Utah. Fewer than 100 Lisa computers are believed to exist today.
The basis to call somethings Apple created that didn't sell in large numbers as failures is questionable. The $9,995 1983 Lisa with a five-megabyte hard drive was the precursor to the 1984 Macintosh. Yes it was expensive, but if you look at that first 128k Mac for $2499, it was just representative of how expensive computers back then were to design/sell comparatively. Look at the price of the Xerox Star workstation was $16,595 in 1981 in which the Lisa was derived from. Businesses were the main buyers of this technology.

The Lisa next to a Xerox Star, look how much more compact it was comparably.

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Common knowledge that the Mac GUI was derived from Xerox Alto/Xerox Star.
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I doubt it. Not many people out there are willing to pay $3000 for a Niche product. Unless Apple lowers the price to $999 then yeah maybe. But under Tim Cook that’s not likely to happen.
Why under Tim Cook? Under Tim Cook, they more affordable versions of their products in almost all categories, something that didn’t happen under Jobs. If anything, it’s more likely
 
Why under Tim Cook? Under Tim Cook, they more affordable versions of their products in almost all categories, something that didn’t happen under Jobs. If anything, it’s more likely
Yes, they are but it comes in stages. Nowadays Apple likes to push out expensive products first before they can introduce a cost-efficient product. For example, iPhone 14 Plus was launched after iPhone 14 Pro models were out in the wild. Now Apple might be planning on discontinuing the SE models. Half of the stuff we used to get when purchasing an iPhone is gone meanwhile the prices have remained the same or gone up higher.

 
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Despite this, starting at just shy of ten grand (around $29,905 by today's standards), the Lisa was prohibitively expensive for all but the wealthiest of households, and the computer was a flop. By 1986, Apple had only managed to sell around 100,000 units, and the entire Lisa platform was discontinued. Apple was even forced to dispose of some 2,700 Lisas in a landfill in Utah. Fewer than 100 Lisa computers are believed to exist today.
Can we just acknowledge that 100,000 people bought a $30,000 computer?

First ever GUI on a home computer though! Wow.
 
The cube sure was pretty though!

Another flop, even though I think they did sell a good number of them, was the trash can Mac Pro. I'd consider something that didn't have at least one revision a flop. So maybe even the iPhone 5c and XR which did actually sell well too. Even the iPhone minis (which I personal love and am using a 13 mini) at least got a revision.
 
I’m also adding Mac Pro Wheels to the list respectively.

There’s no way they are a success at $699.00 without tax. You can’t buy them
Individually either. That’s just wrong.

Car wheels are less expensive than that. Doesn’t stand a chance! 🤨

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Disagree, for the market in which these sell (enterprise) this is normal pricing for mundane ****. The Mac Pro was and is made for enterprise (for profit) purposes, not for consumers. Which is a very different market with very different pricing.

For example you also have software licenses for 10.000+ dollars per single license.
 
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Why under Tim Cook? Under Tim Cook, they more affordable versions of their products in almost all categories, something that didn’t happen under Jobs. If anything, it’s more likely
While Apple clearly has a history of exorbitant prices, I would point to the iPhone Pro models (which should just be the regular iPhone models), the $1,200 M2 MacBook Air with 8/256 RAM/storage, Apple’s soldered RAM and SSD upgrade prices, the $6,000 Max Pro, the $2,500 16” MacBook Pro with 512GB of soldered storage, and the $600-700 Mac Pro wheels as characteristic Tim Cook.
 
Just because apple don't list them separately doesn't mean you can't buy them, just like AirPods, if you need 1 apple will sell you one.
 
Disagree, for the market in which these sell (enterprise) this is normal pricing for mundane ****. The Mac Pro was and is made for enterprise purposes, not for consumers.
You’re telling me that cost-cutting, bottom-line focused enterprise customers can justify $700 wheels? I couldn’t even get my last job to buy a $329 iPad for the lab — all I got was some cheap Android tablet.
 
Disagree, for the market in which these sell (enterprise) this is normal pricing for mundane ****. The Mac Pro was and is made for enterprise (for profit) purposes, not for consumers. Which is a very different market with very different pricing.
Noted- Curious to know.

Did you purchase them personally from Apple.com & paid full price? 🥴
 
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Apple will do it right, everyone else rushed to the market, Apple studies and design to work with the iOS ecosystem which is the advantage most other platform do not have
Spot-on. And Apple has been collaborating with Stanford University's AR/VR laboratory for seven years.

I'd rather have Apple take their time, do the research (Apple's FY 2022 R&D budget was $26 billion), bring in experts, build multiple lab prototypes, etc. and come out with an outstanding easy to use, useful product with a suite of apps that solves problems and enhances one's life. Rather than a clunky me-too device with limited utility and usefulness.

Apple will nail it, no doubt in my mind.
 
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Disagree, for the market in which these sell (enterprise) this is normal pricing for mundane ****. The Mac Pro was and is made for enterprise (for profit) purposes, not for consumers. Which is a very different market with very different pricing.

Exactly. Different market; just as car wheel can cost $699 for a full set or easily 2x that for one specialty wheel.

You’re telling me that cost-cutting, bottom-line focused enterprise customers can justify $700 wheels?

Not all companies are cost-cutting; and while may won't need wheels some will decide to spring for them since they already are probably 10 grand into the purchase for 1 station, 699 isn't the much more if you have a need to move the machine.

I couldn’t even get my last job to buy a $329 iPad for the lab — all I got was some cheap Android tablet.

Is that why it's your last job? Some companies do pinch pennies; others don't; it depends on the culture. Walmart uses returned furniture in their offices o save money; some companies buy fleets or Aeron and Steelcase stuff.
 
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The Cube was one of the best Macs Apple ever made, despite the cracking problems some had (none of my 3 Cubes had a problem and it would never have been a deal breaker if they did) or the initial high price. Like the cylindical Mac Pro, Apple marketed and priced it wrongly. Both of them should not be supposed to replace existing PowerMacs/MacPros but sit alongside them, for the advanced/creative/productive/homecinema users who thought ahead of their time when it comes to storage options, appreciated silence and compactness, wanted more upgradability and power than MacMinis and more monitor flexibility than iMacs.

Anyway, short after its "failure" and discontinuation, the Power Mac G4 Cube became one of the hottest items to get as 2nd hand on eBay etc and for many this and the release of MacOSX were what brought them to the Mac world.
 
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