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Apple's 'CarPlay Ultra' Experience Now Available

kiranmk2 said:
My guess is that this will mostly feature in the niche brands. The mass market brands are likely going to want to push their own systems to gather customer data and/or sell them subscriptions. I'll be very interested to see whether Hyndai/Kia ever actually implement this.
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100% correct. It’s why GM said bye. Personally I wish they hadn’t but many of us saw this coming years back. No way are these manufacturers giving up that data and Apple won’t share
 
Simple. I like to see CarPlay Ultra feature in upcoming totally redesigned Toyota RAV4, 2026 model, to be announced in few days on May 20th 2025.
 
Veinticinco said:
Lived in both. I think you’re confusing your own anecdotal sightings with the harsh reality of sales figures.

Even with Norway’s generous EV incentives, you’re a good 2 maybe 3 years out of date, as new Tesla sales across all European markets are significantly down on what they once were. A trend long before the CEO became toxic, as both new and established competitors have caught up, and in many ways, surpassed them.

Any perceived “cachet” they once had (which also helped them gain a foothold in Norway) has also disappeared whilst their reputation for boring design and awful build quality, has persisted. In certain European markets like Germany, Tesla is finished. Their only potentially lasting legacy will be their charging network as that remains fragmented across the continent. As a car company over here, they are circling the drain.
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Sales figures state that Tesla was the best selling and 2nd best selling car in Norway for last 3 years running and was in the top 10 in the UK for last 3 years running. You can argue that sales are declining but you can’t argue that they still aren’t popular relative to other brands.
 
If I sell my two BMWs I'm not even half way to buying an Aston Martin 🥲
 
KRG said:
My American pickup truck would prob smoke whatever you drive. It’s also much less problematic than the British built Range Rover I had previously that was in the shop for months at a time. Try not to generalize and throw shade for no reason.
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No it wouldn’t. It would cry at the sight of the first corner it couldn’t take. And then we haven’t even began to talk about off-road capability. All they are is big and loud ;)

But anyway it was about PSI remember.
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
No it wouldn’t. It would cry at the sight of the first corner it couldn’t take. And then we haven’t even began to talk about off-road capability. All they are is big and loud ;)

But anyway it was about PSI remember.
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Well, it’s an EV so it’s definitely not loud. 😆 It corners far better than said Range Rover; shockingly well honestly. I love to throw the air suspension into low-firm and take it through twisty mountain roads. Lastly it’s very capable off road, which I’ve also tested on multiple occasions.

Big fan of European cars…I’ve owned BMW/MINI, Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover…but this Rivian is my favorite.

And yes, PSI…mine is set to 50 all around 😆

And I still think CarPlay sucks.
 
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I tend to keep cars a long time (current car is 12 years old for example).

My question on something like this is how long before the software stops being supported for (what will become) an old car, and what happens at that point?
 
my carplay keeps disconnecting. both wired and wireless. not sure i trust this for more safety critical functions.
also, more knobs, less touch screens, on cars please.
 
Unless it is an Apple designed car (which is unlikely to ever happen) I really do not want an Apple user-interface inside it.

At this point I expect cars to have UIs that are inspired by the car or the brand itself, rather than some bolt on 3rd party solution (such as Apple's).
 
KRG said:
Well, it’s an EV so it’s definitely not loud. 😆 It corners far better than said Range Rover; shockingly well honestly. I love to throw the air suspension into low-firm and take it through twisty mountain roads. Lastly it’s very capable off road, which I’ve also tested on multiple occasions.

Big fan of European cars…I’ve owned BMW/MINI, Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover…but this Rivian is my favorite.

And yes, PSI…mine is set to 50 all around 😆

And I still think CarPlay sucks.
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Ok, Rivian I give you that one. Not your typical NA market pickup truck but a heck of a lot better than them. Still not a patch on a full fat Range Rover, but those aren't even in the same league for luxurious transport. Not that I'd say no to Rivian, but it just isn't the same.
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
Ok, Rivian I give you that one. Not your typical NA market pickup truck but a heck of a lot better than them. Still not a patch on a full fat Range Rover, but those aren't even in the same league for luxurious transport. Not that I'd say no to Rivian, but it just isn't the same.
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Haha. I knew what you were getting at before. I just wanted to be facetious. Literally the only American truck I’d own.
 
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KRG said:
I’m curious what people are buying instead. In the US, the Model 3 and Y are extremely attainable at this point. If I were looking for a mass market affordable EV I don’t know that anything beats them still. They’re not the best by any means, but at their price point I still think they are. Obviously we don’t have Chinese EVs here, so maybe that’s making all the difference across Europe.
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Exactly this. Here in Europe, if you discount the traditional manufacturers (German, French and Swedish), every other EV seems to be either a Kia, Hyundai and increasingly BYD, which looks like it’s about to steal Tesla’s lunch.
 
Sebalto said:
Sales figures state that Tesla was the best selling and 2nd best selling car in Norway for last 3 years running and was in the top 10 in the UK for last 3 years running. You can argue that sales are declining but you can’t argue that they still aren’t popular relative to other brands.
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Those figures are retrospective not live and the landscape has markedly shifted. Norway and UK are also very different markets as I alluded to earlier, both in terms of size, pricing/finance, EV infrastructure and governmental incentives.

The common factor between both however is that Tesla has no brand cachet or even loyalty here anymore, it’s just that there was until recently no clear challenger. The affluent demographic that used to buy new Tesla’s by default have now had their heads turned by the latest and shiniest (technologically advanced) toys and the value for money they represent. The Chinese are absolute game changers in this context.

The things Tesla buyers used to overlook (poor build quality, boring design, residual value, random pricing drops, even glitchy tech) are now a major barrier when looking at comparisons.

Then you throw in Musk (who should step back/upstairs if he had any sense, but you know, off the scale narcissism…) and outside of their valuable charging network, Tesla in Europe is only heading one way.
 
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Chevysales said:
Love Apple products but nowhere near enough to allow them access to automobile software other than infotainment.
Sorry but not a chance in hell. The nightmare that can bring is nowhere near any benefit I can experience.
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This is exactly my view.

And that’s even before you look at the demo/renders of the CarPlay Ultra UI that look visually awful, cluttered and lacking any sense of clarity whatsoever. I mean, what could possibly go wrong there? 🙄

I actually think this is one area that could actually benefit from skeuomorphism (eeuw) making a return.
 
Veinticinco said:
Exactly this. Here in Europe, if you discount the traditional manufacturers (German, French and Swedish), every other EV seems to be either a Kia, Hyundai and increasingly BYD, which looks like it’s about to steal Tesla’s lunch.
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Kia/Hyundai has a big slice of the EV market here too, so makes sense.
 
I have a Kia EV3, and it has wireless CarPlay. I don’t use it as I don’t like how it is in addition to, rather than a part of, the infotainment system. You have to switch in and out of it. So I don’t.

I would love CarPlay ultra, with true integration. Luckily it seems that to Kia (and the Hyundai family) it will be coming soon. I’m excited
 
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I basically don't like my car to look like my phone. This is where apple design everywhere in a car feels wrong or even offensive to me. Maybe if you drive fully automated one day, feel bored and just have to kill time this sort of entertainment will be needed. I typically listen to digital radio when driving without even activating CarPlay.
 
Mega ST said:
I basically don't like my car to look like my phone. This is where apple design everywhere in a car feels wrong or even offensive to me. Maybe if you drive fully automated one day, feel bored and just have to kill time this sort of entertainment will be needed. I typically listen to digital radio when driving without even activating CarPlay.
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What gives you the idea it does look the same?
 
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