Apple's Chip Partner TSMC Shares Details on 7nm Node and Advanced InFO Package Process for 2018

[Scottsoapbox]

No I understood your point. Steve Jobs was a consumer and cared about these trivial things. So is Jony.

SMH

An 'end consumer' is a person buying an 'end product' at a retail outlet. Steve Jobs was a consumer when he bought potato chips at the grocery NOT when he as CEO of a multi billion dollar company ordered millions of CPUs for the iPhone. That is a B2B transaction and completely different.

So no, you did not understand my post. I suggest looking up terms you don't understand in the future. It will make your replies more salient.

 

[juiyout]

No I understood your point. Steve Jobs was a consumer and cared about these trivial things. So is Jony.

Didn't care enough to demand a change.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Didn't care enough to demand a change.

or died before he could.
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SMH

An 'end consumer' is a person buying an 'end product' at a retail outlet. Steve Jobs was a consumer when he bought potato chips at the grocery NOT when he as CEO of a multi billion dollar company ordered millions of CPUs for the iPhone. That is a B2B transaction and completely different.

So no, you did not understand my post. I suggest looking up terms you don't understand in the future. It will make your replies more salient.

No. You don't get it. He uses the product. He's said many times he builds products for himself. He literally said "We built products for ourselves" at the iCloud announcement. He's an end consumer of his own business. Get it? Good.

I know what a B2B is. I've been in a startup serving the B2B industry.

Feel free to reply, but I'm not going to read it. Sounds like you're type of person that can't stand being wrong and has to find someway to dig himself out of the hole. Life is too short to deal with people like you.

 

[pankajdoharey]

Bye bye Intel.

I agree with 7nm process all that is required for Apple is to double their Core count, add support for PCI peripherals and get out of this horrendous cycle of Intel Processors. Every Apple refresh depends on Intel releasing its processors. With Apple controlling the release and upgrade cycles a refresh on Notebooks, PC's would be better. Also with a great pricing model they could take over the entire PC/Laptop market.
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7nm? What is that, like 30 silicon atoms across? We're getting really close to the end!

58.33 Atoms.

But i am not sure which process in this 7nm, Because EUVL (Extreme Ultra Violet lithography) is around 13.5nm, So this is some other process way better than EUVL. May be something like UEUVL (Ultra Extreme Ultra Violet lithography)(Made up name...)
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Definitely looks that way based on the reports we're getting. The A12 will be more important than we think.

Of course, if this is an actual 7nm process it is clear they are targeting to replace Intel chips on Mac's so that they can control their release cycles better. Otherwise it takes longer to get Notebooks and iMacs updated.
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And yet Apple ships a SoC that is basically the same size as, say, a Kaby Lake dual processor, faster (single and multithreaded), uses less power, has better GPU performance, and includes a whole ton of OTHER useful stuff (like ISP and NPU).
So what exactly is that supposed Intel process advantage getting you? It doesn't result in smaller (or cheaper) chips, or better performance, or more functionality, or lower power.
The ONLY thing it seems good for is producing slides for fanboys.

Nailed it!!

 

[gerwitz]

Intel never made their processors.

Well, that's a unique perspective.

 

[astroboy888]

Intel never made their processors. TSMC doesn't make modems.

What about this ironic food for thought. Intel wifi/lte modem radio chips (as well as Qualcomm's radio chips) are manufactured by TSMC.

Intel has significant RD effort in the digital CPU domain. But really don't do much in terms of mixed signal Analog + digital chips. TSMC and Philips joint efforts has a very mature process in the mix signal chips.

 

[astroboy888]

The relatively low IPC improvement on the A11 shows Apple has gathered most of the low hanging fruit for performance increases.

This 7nm node will be important. With the A11 and A10X not showing much clock increases, it's further evidence 10nm is a half-node step.

It has been always known that 10nm is a half node - intended for mobile application only. While the additional performance (10-15%) relative to cost is not a great, the amount of power saving is significant (30%) as compared to previous generation 16/12nm node. Makes this process ideal for mobile applications. 7nm will be a significant step up in terms of performance and power saving. So it would be a full node.

For mobile application, clock increase is not a direction you want to head towards because it burns up more power. Instead Apple is exploring parallelism - increasing the throughput of the CPU without increasing power usage as much.