well if technology taught us anything is to never say never..IBM's 2nm process will never enter commercial production.
well if technology taught us anything is to never say never..IBM's 2nm process will never enter commercial production.
It depends on who is designing the chip (for TSMC) or fabricating (for IBM). It also depends on if IBM's partner fabs can mass produce any chips at 2 nm.
Comparisons here for transistor density: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16656/ibm-creates-first-2nm-chip
IBM 2 nm should have about 333 MTr/mm2 versus TSMC's 171 MTr/mm2 at 5 nm.
why is that?Amazing!! this should drive alot of technology in the US
well if technology taught us anything is to never say never..
There must be 100 "chips" in the typical cell phone and 1,000 in the typical computer. But all of them are not the CPU chip.
Take even a $10 generic mouse apart and look inside, there are a lot of "chips" and each one of them is made in a "fab". Most of these sell for a few cents. and don't make the news. Less then 1% are CPU chips. You don't waste a <5 nm process on a 5 cent part.
No way they build the plant fast enough. The intel plant, also in Phoenix, took almost 10 years to complete.
People are talking about how this plant will be producing outdate product by the time it comes online. That may very well be the case, but I have to suspect these plants don't hit the ground running making the absolute cutting edge stuff right out of the gate. It takes time to tweak the operation and get it just perfect. Once the basics are in place, they will be able to make the latest stuff here.
Maybe it's less ris5nm in 2024? So chips for old stuff.
That’s not how it works. If you tool a fab for 5nm, then to get to the next smaller process node you spend billions of dollars to re-tool it (replacing most of the machinery, etc). You can’t build a fab and then “tweak it” to get to the next process node.
Nowhere does TSMC even say that these chips will be for Apple. They're probably for other customers who don't demand the latest and smallest die sizes and performance the way Apple does.Apple keeping things home in the US. Love it
Maybe it's less risck to TSMC to dip their toes with proven technology... It's not like $12 billion is an insignificant 'dip' into the US supply chain. TSMC wouldn't do this without forecasted demand, no?
It's still 65% of chips from the same company, regardless of where they are produced.This is good. We need stop leveraging 65% of all chips from Taiwan. It’s getting risky. Even….hairy.
It's relevant in that the opinion of 'bad' is in the eye of the beholder.Not really relevant to my point, is it? The reason for the bad thing doesn’t mean it is not a bad thing.
I hope you have enough water for all this growth. Phoenix is in a desert, right?I love seeing how much AZ is growing into a major tech hub for the US. The housing market here is insane. Sucks for those who want to buy a home but its great for those of us that own homes here.
It's relevant in that the opinion of 'bad' is in the eye of the beholder.
Do you mean intel Fabs? having this production should drive ARM adoption in PCs and allow more devices access to faster ships aka linksys and otherswhy is that?
The U.S. already has a bunch of 2- and 3-generation old fabs. Why will another one make a difference 3 years from now.
No, I don’t even mean Intel fabs, but count those in too. GlobalFoundries, Infineon, Renesas, NXP etc. etc. etc. There are literally dozens of fabs in the U.S.Do you mean intel Fabs? having this production should drive ARM adoption in PCs and allow more devices access to faster ships aka linksys and others
Looking good Cliff!Don’t know that guy.
How about this one?
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Former AMD engineer talks about Bulldozer
X-bit Labs reports an ex-AMD engineer spoke out about some of the reasons why Bulldozer disappoints: The reason why performance of the long-awaited Bulldozer was below expectations is not only because...www.guru3d.com
What does Ryzen have to do with bulldozer?Looking good Cliff!
Posted my Ryzen setup on craiglists after reading it, thanks for the heads up.
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New jobs in US! This is wonderful news. Who’s ready to apply with me?
From Apple's perspective - its smart in case relations with China deteriorate. They have the design and engineering facilities in the US - now they have manufacturing capability here as well.
I see an investment into TSMC eventually making this relationship closer.