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I only use Siri when I'm driving, and even then I rarely bother. I doubt privacy concerns are what's causing this typical exchange:
"Hey Siri"
beep-beep
"Play Royal Blood"
...
...
beep-boop
"Hey Siri"
beep beep
"PLAY ROYAL BLOOD"
...
...
beep-boop
"Hey Siri **** you"
...
...
beep-boop
 
I hardly use all three of them: Siri, Cortana, Google Assistant. I believe Apple should have an opt in option for those who want it to be a bit more intelligent.
 
YOU might post a bunch of crap on FB, IG, and SC. I don't post anything on any except SC. And only things that I wouldn't mind the world seeing. Oh, and of course locations services OFF. Maybe I'm the minority, but at least I'm not that idiot posting that he's going on vacation on FB and getting his empty home burglarized.

I think Apple needs to catch up, but keeping privacy at the forefront of their innovation is key. That's why a lot of people choose Apple products over the inferior Android products aka tracking devices.
Disable AI, then. Differential privacy is a marketing term made to make you feel better about Apple's brand of data mining.

The fact is, Apple has all the same data Google has on you and you have no privacy. Apple just pinky swears they won't sell your data to customers. Don't mistake that for privacy. They can change tack at any time and your naivete will be for naught.
 
I'm sorry that developers can't find ways to sell my activity to advertisers. Honestly, I am...:rolleyes:

I'm also sorry that if I use Siri I don't get "suggestions" from "trusted partners" for movies I might like based on something I read on rotten tomatoes. I'm sure these vultures are struggling now that they can't peep through my windows.

As for suggestions that Apple hasn't found the right balance of accessibility vs. privacy, that's ludicrous. Being "kind of private" is like being "kind of pregnant" or having "secure encryption" with a back door. Either you are private, or you are not.
 
I am okay with how Siri is progressing. Once they have a device with a bunch of microphones, it'll improve. Honestly, talking to my devices feels weird anyway so I don't plan to use it now or in the future. I prefer Apple's approach when it comes to putting privacy first and foremost.
 
I am okay with how Siri is progressing. Once they have a device with a bunch of microphones, it'll improve. Honestly, talking to my devices feels weird anyway so I don't plan to use it now or in the future. I prefer Apple's approach when it comes to putting privacy first and foremost.
That's not the problem. It's not the device that's the problem. The problem is they can't figure out how to cater data to people without knowing who they are. Differential privacy is all good and dandy, but you cannot possibly know things about me and pretend not to and deliver a good product in the field of AI.
 
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That's not the problem. It's not the device that's the problem. The problem is they can't figure out how to cater data to people without knowing who they are. Differential privacy is all good and dandy, but you cannot possibly know things about me and pretend not to and deliver a good product in the field of AI.

Yea, I get that with the privacy aspect. Fine by me. I don't want them to change their current stance on protecting their users privacy. I think people mostly get frustrated because Siri doesn't understand them properly. I am just saying this will likely improve with the HomePod as I think it has 6 microphones and is made for such things. Maybe some of those advances carry over to iPhone/iPad/Mac. Either way, not really worried about the development of Siri on my end.
 
Answering random questions is hardly a metric for utility since this is exactly what google is trying to do. Alexa is dumb as a brick if you ask it anything outside its playground. But Siri is falling behind. You cannot machine learn and brute force AI without billions of pieces of data which google has.
 
That's not the problem. It's not the device that's the problem. The problem is they can't figure out how to cater data to people without knowing who they are. Differential privacy is all good and dandy, but you cannot possibly know things about me and pretend not to and deliver a good product in the field of AI.
I think thats why the Core ML might be key in Siri's improvement. If it allows datasets to be stored locally and ML models to be implemented and trained locally without leaving the device then that could be the ultimate personalisation.
 
Apple could setup an opt in group for data or use all their employees or...

There are more options than 1) scan everything ever said by anyone near the mic and 2) never collect anything.
They did that already. There is an opt-in to use your stuff on iCloud to make Siri better. They started this with iOS 10 I think. I care about my privacy and I trust Apple way more, than all the others.
 
As for suggestions that Apple hasn't found the right balance of accessibility vs. privacy, that's ludicrous. Being "kind of private" is like being "kind of pregnant" or having "secure encryption" with a back door. Either you are private, or you are not.
Apple is exactly that, kind of private;). The type of data they collect is on par with Google. The standard retort about Google and data collection is they use that info to sell targeted ads. Apple does this as well. You actually have to opt-out of targeted advertising; just like with Google. Apple wants even more info as well (iCloud Analytics) because as jimbobb24 pointed out, AI requires data; lots and lots of data. That's neither a good or bad thing. It just is. The good thing is there are tons of people who want Siri to improve and they opted in to sharing the iCloud Analytics data. There are enough of those people where Siri and other services can be improved to the benefit of all. So like most things in life, Apple's privacy stance is not binary. They balance their privacy stance with accessibility and improvements. Kind of private.:)

Answering random questions is hardly a metric for utility since this is exactly what google is trying to do. Alexa is dumb as a brick if you ask it anything outside its playground. But Siri is falling behind. You cannot machine learn and brute force AI without billions of pieces of data which google has.
You're 100% right. You can't brute force AI. It requires data. Curious though, why do you think Apple doesn't have billions of pieces of data? They do. They tell you they do. More people should (not directed at you, just generally speaking) actually take the time to read Apple's privacy policy to understand what information they do collect instead of assuming they don't collect data. That's a false assumption that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
 
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I think the Core ML stuff in iOS11 is really interesting cos from what I understood it seems like the dataset would never leave the user's device and it would essentially be a locally training ML model that allows deeper customisation for the user. Which in a way I guess is a different approach to ML than what some other companies have been doing.
I bet this will only be possible with this new chip. There is a rumor article about that, here on MR.
 
Under 6 years of Tim Cook's lack of leadership, Apple has yet to have a successful product as Jobs did.

Siri is a good example of a technological product that Jobs released that has fallen behind under Tim's lack of leadership.

All this talk of privacy, and Apple to come up with a solution? This talk of privacy is Apple is making excuses for lack of drive!
 
If there is one thing Apple should be strongly commended and praised for, it's this. It's pretty much the only big company right now that is not trying to enhance it's technology at the expense of privacy. It's almost heroic.

Even though they might only be doing it because they are making their money on hardware and not on your personal data unlike its competitors, it's something everyone should encourage.
 
Siri sucks at understanding what I say. Basic voice to text issues. How does that require personal data? Or even AI? I don't need an assistant. I just want flawless voice dictation.
 
Under 6 years of Tim Cook's lack of leadership, Apple has yet to have a successful product as Jobs did.

The iPhone is one of the most successful products ever, of all time, in terms of sales revenue. Apple will be lucky if they ever have another product that successful.

In terms of a product being enjoyed by it's users Apple have had products under Tim Cook that are better than anything under Steve Jobs

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And then the AirPods went even higher:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/01/airpods-customer-satisfaction/

All this talk of privacy, and Apple to come up with a
solution? This talk of privacy is Apple is making excuses for lack of drive!

All "this talk" is by ex-employees. Apple haven't said anything, except a huge Keynote a few days ago where they explained Siri is more contextually aware (and having used iOS 11 I can agree - it's improved).

You're posting nonsense I'm afraid.
 
While it's true that Alexa and google home is better than Siri, it also doesn't matter. Siri doesn't have to be the best just yet. It just has to be good enough.

I believe Apple will overcome this challenge with Siri and get better will still maintaining privacy. That will be the big breakthrough.
 
Disable AI, then. Differential privacy is a marketing term made to make you feel better about Apple's brand of data mining.

The fact is, Apple has all the same data Google has on you and you have no privacy. Apple just pinky swears they won't sell your data to customers. Don't mistake that for privacy. They can change tack at any time and your naivete will be for naught.
I very much disagree. My field of study and consequentially, my degree, is in both networking and security and cyber forensics. I can tell you that Apple does NOT have anywhere near the amount of data on anyone as Google has.
 
Siri sucks at understanding what I say. Basic voice to text issues. How does that require personal data? Or even AI? I don't need an assistant. I just want flawless voice dictation.
It must be your voice. It works perfect, for me. German & Italian.
 
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The iPhone is one of the most successful products ever, of all time, in terms of sales revenue. Apple will be lucky if they ever have another product that successful.

In terms of a product being enjoyed by it's users Apple have had products under Tim Cook that are better than anything under Steve Jobs

13623-8577-Screen-Shot-2015-07-20-at-103213-PM-l.jpg


And then the AirPods went even higher:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/01/airpods-customer-satisfaction/



All "this talk" is by ex-employees. Apple haven't said anything, except a huge Keynote a few days ago where they explained Siri is more contextually aware (and having used iOS 11 I can agree - it's improved).

You're posting nonsense I'm afraid.
Yet without any solid numbers from Apple (instead of burying them in the "Other" category) to back that up we have no way of knowing if such a guesstimate is accurate.
 
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't mind giving up my metadata for a better experience.
You have no idea how much accurate information can be compiled on you using the data mining technology that exists. And it's all legal and it's also for sale. Years ago I worked for a direct mail company (junk mail) and we would buy mailing lists to send our customers mail adverts sorted by income, job, age, political affiliation, health, where you live, restaurants you frequented, newspapers and magazines you subscribed to, what schools you attended, and that was back in the mid 1980's.

My wife works for an insurance company now and she says what is available, and used, is a lot more in depth and comprehensive than it was then. And with companies looking to deny people based on "pre-existing" conditions again you better hope that you or any of of your family don't have or develope a condition. If it runs in your family then they may say it was pre-existing.

And that's just one instance. Your credit and financial information is already for sale. You may be denied a loan based upon inaccurate or crossed with someone else's information and never know why you were denied. There is nothing that says that the information must be corrected if it is in error, even if you notify someone. And since it's an aggregate collection of people and companies collecting and reselling the data, there's no one place to go to fix any errors. That's today, right now. Do Search on people being denied loans or credit cards or even jobs based upon available information right now.

And if you do that search on google be aware that this information will be stored and for sale.
 
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