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Your Ive hate has blinded you...

Your severe misunderstandings have not done much for your insight, let me tell you. "Ive hate"? I've already established his importance as per his past contributions, but past success is no determiner of future success. That observation is factual reality which has nothing whatsoever to do with love or hate.

See, you continue to defend the status quo in Cupertino. You take a wild guess that Apple assumed few people use the SD card slot and based on that assumption you defend its removal by Apple. You also defend Apple in that you are happy to force "cables" (dongles) upon us. More defense of the status quo.

Why is my case only my case but your case superior? Ah, yes... You probably would say: "Because Apple made the decision, and I am only defending it." Exactly what I've been saying. So many defenders of the status quo.

Imagine if Apple hired people in these forums who perpetually praise the now without offering constructive criticism. Do you think innovation would continue? A good thought process involves both sides. Your defense of the here and now, and my critique of it. Both have their place. Your place is no more superior to mine than mine is to yours. I'm happy to see it doesn't take much to please you. It takes a little more to please me. You know, those old ports that Apple once thought had a place on the MBP AND which still have their place even on the 2017 iMac. This discussion has nothing to do with self-centeredness and everything to do with offering up of strong opinions.
 
Comparatively speaking, you really do support "virtually no ports." Compared with whom? With me.

As I have repeatedly said, I have zero issues with USB-C. None. Nada. Leave 4 USB-C ports on the 15" MBP! Of course! The difference between you and myself is that you limit your port selection to just 4 USB-C ports. You don't care about an SD card slot. I care about it. You don't care about having a single USB-A 3.1 port. But I care about USB-A so as to avoid yet another dongle. And as to MagSafe, which Apple itself made a huge stink over at KeyNotes in the past, I think Apple should be smart enough to have come up with a replacement of that too. Funny how Apple defenders say how brilliant Apple is all the time, yet they fail to give Apple credit for having the brilliance to come up with a MagSafe replacement. Crazy.

Yes, all these ports really can fit on a 15" MBP, satisfying you (who cares nothing for ports other than 4 USB-C) and satisfying me, who cares about 4 USB-C ports plus a USB-A port plus an SD card slot plus MagSafe.

But let's say someone at Apple gives us an argument about why that enormous 15" MBP is still not enormous enough to fit the aforementioned ports. Fine. Bring back the 17" MBP! I would actually prefer a larger screen. And using modern tech and Ive's minimalism, it would be the lightest and thinnest 17" MBP ever.

Satisfying most users isn't hard if you try. But minimalism for the sake of minimalism isn't always the best way to go about it. The existing MBP is not perfect. It's time we are open-minded enough to admit that.

Dongles. Someone using that word over "cable" or "adapter" speaks volumes. Why would I care about a USB A port when I have a USB C to USB A cable? It cost $8, is robust, works in either orientation, and I was able to afford it.

You simply speak for yourself. Though you try projecting your "how it works in Apple" views upon Jobs', Ive's, and Forestal's interactions and dynamics, but still never knowing any of them. All fantasyland. And yet you try and characterize "pro" users as needing to be in your image, having your views.

All projection on your part and ultimately just a big bowl of buh-blah with nothing that sticks to the wall.

Good luck.
 
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Your severe misunderstandings have not done much for your insight, let me tell you. "Ive hate"? I've already established his importance as per his past contributions, but past success is no determiner of future success. That observation is factual reality which has nothing whatsoever to do with love or hate.

See, you continue to defend the status quo in Cupertino. You take a wild guess that Apple assumed few people use the SD card slot and based on that assumption you defend its removal by Apple. You also defend Apple in that you are happy to force "cables" (dongles) upon us. More defense of the status quo.

Why is my case only my case but your case superior? Ah, yes... You probably would say: "Because Apple made the decision, and I am only defending it." Exactly what I've been saying. So many defenders of the status quo.

Imagine if Apple hired people in these forums who perpetually praise the now without offering constructive criticism. Do you think innovation would continue? A good thought process involves both sides. Your defense of the here and now, and my critique of it. Both have their place. Your place is no more superior to mine than mine is to yours. I'm happy to see it doesn't take much to please you. It takes a little more to please me. You know, those old ports that Apple once thought had a place on the MBP AND which still have their place even on the 2017 iMac. This discussion has nothing to do with self-centeredness and everything to do with offering up of strong opinions.

Why do you assume there was no thinking involved.

I am pretty sure Apple weighs the pros against the cons for every product decision they make. Just because you disagree with the design decisions Apple makes doesn’t make them wrong.

And I fail to see how Apple is enforcing the status quo when every one of their products has been centred around rethinking the user experience and not being afraid to upset the status quo. This is perhaps Apple's only constant, and the one thing I don’t want them to ever change.

The strongest opinion or the loudest outcry doesn’t always win, nor should it. You have stated your points and made yourself heard. That doesn’t mean the recipient is obligated to follow exactly as you say. It just means that yes, he has taken note of your feedback into consideration, and that’s that.

To Apple I say, continue to remove more ports. Remove more buttons. Continue to remake the world in your image and continue to win.

That is the Apple I know.
 
You simply speak for yourself...

How then, my friend, are you different? Speak not thee for thyself also?

Arguing for the sake of arguing is ridiculous. But the fact remains that you are satisfies with very little from Cupertino. You need only 4 USB-C ports on your MBP. It simply takes more to satisfy me and those like me (yes, they do exist). What does it take to satisfy people like me? Oh, you know... those ports we once had on the 2015 MBP.

I am thankful that both your type (defender of extreme minimalism) and my type (defender of at least some legacy functionality) are at Apple. Despite my criticism of Apple in this thread, I know both types of people surely exist in Cupertino because Apple execs like to keep opinionated people on their engineering teams. (No need to ask how I know. You can buy books on Steve Jobs, Apple, etc., just like I do. I've read just about every tome on Jobs and Apple published since the 1980's.) It just happened that my type lost the last couple battles with regard to the MBP, but thankfully my type gained a victory with the iMac in that legacy USB-A ports and an SD card slot, along side USB-C, remain a part of the 2017 iMac.

Diversity of thought makes the world go round. I don't hate or even dislike you. You just have a different set of needs than I do. And both you and I are strongly opinionated. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm happy you are pleased with the current MBP offerings from Apple. I and others are not. It will be interesting to see what the future brings.

Best wishes.
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Just because you disagree with the design decisions Apple makes doesn’t make them wrong.

And just because you agree with the design decision Apple makes doesn't make them right. That's been my point all along. What makes the design decisions "right" or "wrong" in our eyes (as users/buyers) depends on our individual needs.

You said "the loudest outcry doesn't win," yet "constant negativity" prompted Apple to rethink the Mac Pro. There was an article on it. Look it up. Furthermore, if Apple didn't care about our crying, it would not offering a Feedback page.

Lastly, you seem to be satisfied with Apple's offerings and are not crying at all, except when you see one of your fellow Mac users crying in a forum like this, and then you cry against them. Why not show us a little empathy instead? Just because I don't need a FireWire port on a MBP anymore doesn't mean I should lambast one of my fellow Mac lovers for expressing a strong opinion about why Apple should bring it back. Let's embrace thought that goes beyond the thoughts expressed at Cupertino. No Apple product is perfect. Differing opinions make them better.

Food for thought.
 
Your severe misunderstandings have not done much for your insight, let me tell you. "Ive hate"? I've already established his importance as per his past contributions, but past success is no determiner of future success. That observation is factual reality which has nothing whatsoever to do with love or hate.

See, you continue to defend the status quo in Cupertino. You take a wild guess that Apple assumed few people use the SD card slot and based on that assumption you defend its removal by Apple. You also defend Apple in that you are happy to force "cables" (dongles) upon us. More defense of the status quo.

Why is my case only my case but your case superior? Ah, yes... You probably would say: "Because Apple made the decision, and I am only defending it." Exactly what I've been saying. So many defenders of the status quo.

Imagine if Apple hired people in these forums who perpetually praise the now without offering constructive criticism. Do you think innovation would continue? A good thought process involves both sides. Your defense of the here and now, and my critique of it. Both have their place. Your place is no more superior to mine than mine is to yours. I'm happy to see it doesn't take much to please you. It takes a little more to please me. You know, those old ports that Apple once thought had a place on the MBP AND which still have their place even on the 2017 iMac. This discussion has nothing to do with self-centeredness and everything to do with offering up of strong opinions.
You defend the previous status quo while I embrace the change. I’m not saying the new MBP is better simply to defend Apple, I’m saying it’s better because in my opinion, it is better. Because of external I/O bandwidth, flexibility and capability, and because of size/weight.

Anyone who disagrees with you about the MBP is just blindly defending Apple? Is easily pleased? Yeah, no. I think the new MBP is better because now I can move between my workplace and home while just plugging in a single cable, not 5 or 6 I like the new keyboard better and I type faster with it. I haven’t done it yet but I look forward to using an eGPU on one of the TB3 ports.

A dock can give you a variety of memory card compatibility, FireWire, Ethernet, USB 2.0/ 3.1 ports, eSATA, optical audio, HDMI or display port, etc. depending on your needs. And when I’m traveling, I have the thinnest, lightest MBP possible. I value this very highly.

But if you want to reduce my opinion to, you just like it because Apple made it... feel free. But your opinion is wrong. And you have the right to your wrong opinion.
 
You defend the previous status quo while I embrace the change.
While it is true you embrace change, it is NOT true that I defend the "previous" status quo. How so? USB-A ports are presently (not "past tense") ubiquitous. It will be many more years before you can hand your friend a USB-C only device and he won't complain about not having the appropriate adapter. Fact is, USB-A will be around for some years to come. That is the present in which we live. And that is why Apple should have made the current MBP a bridge machine, bridging today's ports with tomorrow's. Ditto everything I've said about offering ports to accommodate both you and me. It could easily be done, especially at the price point Apple charges for the MBP.

You obviously don't read or comprehend my previous posts either. As I previously said, I myself don't need old ports like FireWire. BUT, if another of my fellow Mac users did want that and demand it in this forum, I would not lambast them for it. Everyone has differing needs and some of us are strongly opinionated. That makes the world go round. I'm happy to hear your opinion and happy to share a diverging viewpoint.
 
While it is true you embrace change, it is NOT true that I defend the "previous" status quo. How so? USB-A ports are presently (not "past tense") ubiquitous. It will be many more years before you can hand your friend a USB-C only device and he won't complain about not having the appropriate adapter. Fact is, USB-A will be around for some years to come. That is the present in which we live. And that is why Apple should have made the current MBP a bridge machine, bridging today's ports with tomorrow's. Ditto everything I've said about offering ports to accommodate both you and me. It could easily be done, especially at the price point Apple charges for the MBP.

You obviously don't read or comprehend my previous posts either. As I previously said, I myself don't need old ports like FireWire. BUT, if another of my fellow Mac users did want that and demand it in this forum, I would not lambast them for it. Everyone has differing needs and some of us are strongly opinionated. That makes the world go round. I'm happy to hear your opinion and happy to share a diverging viewpoint.

I have read the majority of posting in this thread, including all of yours. And everyone of them you try to dissuade why Apple is doing things wrong or not for the better. And how they don't meet your narrative and viewpoints of what they should be doing differently than what they did years ago. Truthfully, sometimes this needs to be said, but Apple is not for you and there are plenty other product they can likely meet your expectations. If you're this dissatisfied with this company and the changes over the course of years, then I would highly suggest reinvesting your concerns elsewhere into another tech company that will provide a "Better" user experience for you, because it appears You will never be content, at all.
 
And just because you agree with the design decision Apple makes doesn't make them right. That's been my point all along. What makes the design decisions "right" or "wrong" in our eyes (as users/buyers) depends on our individual needs.
The crux of all of these is that in times of platform shifts there are two types of people. There are people that embrace the shift, perhaps out of enthusiasm, fandom, or maybe just because they don’t know any better. Then there are people that do know better, but just see the challenges in changing and use those challenges to anchor criticism.

I didn’t start out as a primary iPad user either. I saw its potential back in 2012, but it would take many years and a ton of trial and error before I would finally settle on a workflow which worked for me. Some features would come later than sooner (like peer to peer airplay).

It wasn’t all perfect for me either, but the difference here is that I worked hard to understand and manage with the idiosyncrasies of the iPad ecosystem. I used Dropbox to get around the lack of a file system. I had an Apple TV installed in my classroom for airplay mirroring, and spent a lot of time and effort figuring out the kinks of airplay mirroring. I experimented with a ton of apps to see what worked and what didn’t.

It’s not about “right” or “wrong” decisions here but the apparent shortsightedness and close-mindedness and aversion to change here which dismays me. What I observe here is that people like to overstate the short-term drawbacks of any paradigm change which Apple makes and paint them as some kind of world-ending catastrophe, while completely underestimating the long term benefits such a move could bring.

I don’t think this is a decision which you can just try to wait out and hope that Apple will walk back on and reinstate all legacy port. Like it or not, USB-C is now a thing. Why not start thinking about how you could adapt and position yourself to get ahead of the change? The longer people try to resist the transition, the more they are just going to make things for difficult for themselves, not for me.

You said "the loudest outcry doesn't win," yet "constant negativity" prompted Apple to rethink the Mac Pro. There was an article on it. Look it up. Furthermore, if Apple didn't care about our crying, it would not offering a Feedback page.
It’s one thing to give feedback. It’s another to expect Apple to bend over backwards to cater to your feedback just because you have given it.

Yes, I am aware of the outcry over the Mac Pro and the outcome of that outcry. Suffice to say I feel Apple should have just stayed the course.

But what’s done is done.

Lastly, you seem to be satisfied with Apple's offerings and are not crying at all, except when you see one of your fellow Mac users crying in a forum like this, and then you cry against them. Why not show us a little empathy instead? Just because I don't need a FireWire port on a MBP anymore doesn't mean I should lambast one of my fellow Mac lovers for expressing a strong opinion about why Apple should bring it back. Let's embrace thought that goes beyond the thoughts expressed at Cupertino. No Apple product is perfect. Differing opinions make them better.

Food for thought.
Believe me, I have thought long and hard about this.

I am not entirely convinced that they deserve any sort of empathy, because I don’t think they started those outbursts and rants of theirs with the express intention of getting any (empathy).

Contrary to whatever opinion others may have of me here, my Apple products haven’t been 100% perfect either. But as I started in the beginning, the difference between us lies in how we choose to tackle the curveballs Apple throws at us. I don’t gripe or whine here all that much because I feel my energies are better spent managing the transition, not fighting it.

So no, what I feel we need here isn’t empathy, but vision and perspective. The ability to recognise how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal, rather than fixate on obstacles as seeing only one aspect of the change.

The way to think about this is that no technology is really the center of a system, but rather a constellation of bodies under the influence of each other.

What we really ought to be championing here is a change-oriented mindset, especially for technology. One where we force ourselves to let go of the models we have developed for how things work and not be afraid to learn new approaches when the need arises.

All these countless griping and whining? They are neither productive nor constructive.
 
Why do people keep calling these things keynotes? They’re press events. A keynote starts a conference/convention.

WWDC would have the only “keynote” of the year.

Yeah... I only associate "keynote" with WWDC.

Everything else is just called "Apple Event"

Didn't most people refer to the last event as the "September iPhone event" ?
 
Apple is not for you and there are plenty other product they can likely meet your expectations.

You honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. You claim to have read my posts in this thread but in fact you didn’t. As I’ve said, I am a macOS fan. How then do you think you can persuade me to move to piece of hardware that runs something other than macOS?

Here’s yet another reason why you’re wrong about me. The iMac is a computer which I already own, at home and at the office, that satisfies me completely.

I simply disgruntled about the fact that a future MacBook Pro purchase would be lacking the ports and hardware features I want built in, especially because those hardware features have been standard on MacBook Pros up through the 2015 edition. That’s it in a nutshell.

Furthermore, as I’ve said numerous times before, I don’t understand why someone who is a Mac fan joining in a discussion with his fellow Mac fans gets a verbal beating when he doesn’t worship Apple in the same strict matter as everyone else. Show some empathy!
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Like it or not, USB-C is now a thing.

I am not entirely convinced that they deserve any sort of empathy...

Whether or not USB-C is “now a thing“ has nothing to do with the missing SD card slot. And in fact, USB-C is not “now a thing“ insofar as it is not yet ubiquitous. I’ve already said that. That’s why I previously said the late 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros should have been "bridge machines" that bridge today's USA-A ports with the USB-C of tomorrow. The SD card slot isn't a "port" but it is still important to many, and not just photographers either, seeing that slot can be used for supplementary "always inserted" storage.

As to whether or not you give an empathetic response to others, that comes down to the type of person you are in your heart. I myself stand by what I’ve said. If someone in these forums comes along demanding a an old FireWire port, I will not be one to wrap a bar of soap in a towel and start verbally beating up on them, like some of you. Knowing when not to beat on someone can be a form of empathy. Just because you see someone disgruntled at Apple in a forum doesn’t mean you need to jump in and defend a multibillion dollar company that has tens of thousands of employees and can easily defend itself.
 
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