This is really ridicilous. He is reffering to 16 GB RAM for the basic system operation while his company is selling the most computers with 8 GB only and saying its perfectly fine for everything. Shame on you, Mr. Craig Hypocrite!
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Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
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Craig just stop. From lying about sideloading to throwing the Mac under the bus you're the last person I would listen to on what is and isn't possible or good about your OSs. Stick to being a meme please.
Exactly, cuz I bought an iPad just a month ago, and Apple decided to make it obsolete already, instead of waiting 5 or more years.
why not make a binary switch:
M1/M2 - 2x4 Apps with full ext. monitor support
IPP 2018/20 - 2x2 or 1x2 Apps with full ext. monitor support
?
M1/M2 - 2x4 Apps with full ext. monitor support
IPP 2018/20 - 2x2 or 1x2 Apps with full ext. monitor support
?
They should add a Courage coprocessor (C1) they can attach features to.
It’s because the armchair engineers on here think they know it all. No explanation will suffice beyond “greedy Apple”, as if they’re even owed one in the first place.
Since Apple has already decided, they should just refuse to explain further at this point. The truth is that it is unjustifiable and anything that they say about it would just give more rope to hang themselves.
Following the WWDC keynote last week, Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi spoke with TechCrunch's Matthew Panzarino about the new Stage Manager feature for iPad and Mac. Notably, he elaborated on Stage Manager being limited to M1 iPads.
On the iPad, Stage Manager allows users to resize apps into overlapping windows for an improved multitasking experience. Stage Manager also fully supports an external display with up to 6K resolution, allowing users to work with up to four apps on the iPad and up to four apps on the external display simultaneously.
In a statement shared with Rene Ritchie last week, Apple asserted that Stage Manager "requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip." Federighi elaborated on that rationale in his chat with Panzarino, telling him that the power of the M1 chip ensures that all apps being used in Stage Manager are "instantaneously responsive."
"It's only the M1 iPads that combined the high DRAM capacity with very high capacity, high performance NAND that allows our virtual memory swap to be super fast," said Federighi. "Now that we're letting you have up to four apps on a panel plus another four – up to eight apps to be instantaneously responsive and have plenty of memory, we just don't have that ability on the other systems," such as the previous-generation iPad Pro.
Released in April 2021, the iPad Pro with an M1 chip is available with up to 16GB of RAM, compared to 6GB in the previous iPad Pro. Apple also advertises the M1 iPad Pro as having 2x faster storage and up to 40% faster GPU performance compared to the previous model. Apple also released an iPad Air with the same M1 chip in March 2022.
"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."
"When you put all this together, we can't deliver the full Stage Manager experience on any lesser system," added Federighi. "I mean, we would love to make it available everywhere we can. But this is what it requires. This is the experience we're going to carry into the future. We didn't want to constrain our design to something lesser, we're setting the benchmark for the future."
As for Stage Manager on the Mac, Federighi said there are already "so many different ways" to multitask on macOS, such as using Mission Control or the Command-Tab keyboard shortcut to switch between apps, and Stage Manager is simply another tool in the toolbox.
"On the Mac, there are so many different ways to work. Some people use spaces, some people are in and out of Mission Control. Some people are command tab people, some people like to create a mess, some people clean up their messes and some people use minimization. I mean, there's no wrong answer here, there are a lot of valid ways to work on the Mac."
"If 20% of the users on the Mac end up saying that this is another great tool in the quiver for them… that's fantastic," he said.
Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads
The a12z also came out the same time as the a14… but it was just a modified a12 that was already 2 years old… the a12z should have never been released.
Following the WWDC keynote last week, Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi spoke with TechCrunch's Matthew Panzarino about the new Stage Manager feature for iPad and Mac. Notably, he elaborated on Stage Manager being limited to M1 iPads.
On the iPad, Stage Manager allows users to resize apps into overlapping windows for an improved multitasking experience. Stage Manager also fully supports an external display with up to 6K resolution, allowing users to work with up to four apps on the iPad and up to four apps on the external display simultaneously.
In a statement shared with Rene Ritchie last week, Apple asserted that Stage Manager "requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip." Federighi elaborated on that rationale in his chat with Panzarino, telling him that the power of the M1 chip ensures that all apps being used in Stage Manager are "instantaneously responsive."
"It's only the M1 iPads that combined the high DRAM capacity with very high capacity, high performance NAND that allows our virtual memory swap to be super fast," said Federighi. "Now that we're letting you have up to four apps on a panel plus another four – up to eight apps to be instantaneously responsive and have plenty of memory, we just don't have that ability on the other systems," such as the previous-generation iPad Pro.
Released in April 2021, the iPad Pro with an M1 chip is available with up to 16GB of RAM, compared to 6GB in the previous iPad Pro. Apple also advertises the M1 iPad Pro as having 2x faster storage and up to 40% faster GPU performance compared to the previous model. Apple also released an iPad Air with the same M1 chip in March 2022.
"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."
"When you put all this together, we can't deliver the full Stage Manager experience on any lesser system," added Federighi. "I mean, we would love to make it available everywhere we can. But this is what it requires. This is the experience we're going to carry into the future. We didn't want to constrain our design to something lesser, we're setting the benchmark for the future."
As for Stage Manager on the Mac, Federighi said there are already "so many different ways" to multitask on macOS, such as using Mission Control or the Command-Tab keyboard shortcut to switch between apps, and Stage Manager is simply another tool in the toolbox.
"On the Mac, there are so many different ways to work. Some people use spaces, some people are in and out of Mission Control. Some people are command tab people, some people like to create a mess, some people clean up their messes and some people use minimization. I mean, there's no wrong answer here, there are a lot of valid ways to work on the Mac."
"If 20% of the users on the Mac end up saying that this is another great tool in the quiver for them… that's fantastic," he said.
Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads
Whether greedy or not, this could definitely run on older models, especially those with the newer A series chips.
Sometimes exclusive is exclusive for non-technical reasons. Those iMac exclusive wallpapers? They could run pretty well on the iPhone 3GS.
1. Have you read any article or watched any review about an IPP? It’s one of the most meme’d about issues if not the most.
2. Samsung uses Android and most people that use Android would rather use a PC so that’s why. Dex is more Chromebook than anything and I bet anyone who would use a Chromebook would use a Samsung tablet.
Windows tried a tablet interface and it failed because they used straight up Windows. Dex is a hybrid and Apple should have introduced a hybrid as well when you attach a keyboard, they could even call it something thing like…iPadOS. How cool would that be?
Apple could have done a temporary inferior custom Stage Manager for older devices, but Apple would have hated making a worse version, and it probably would have been a lot of work to redesign a whole other version and then support it for years and years until the old hardware becomes obsolete. It would be a temporary but drawn out wart for them. I don’t think any company would want that. Nor are they obligated.
Yeah I didn’t fall into the trap. But when m1 came out with thunderbolt I took the plunge. I feel for others who got an iPad Pro based on an years old processor in 2020.
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How come budget netbooks with specs so much worse are able to handle multitasking just fine? Since when did a feature that's been commonplace since 2000 suddenly become something that only the top notch hardware of 2021 is able to handle - a windowing system?
I don’t know what your definition of fine is. I have a co-worker who bought a $300 netbook from Walmart for telecommuting and after 3 months, she’s complaining about how slow it is.
If you think Apple did this strictly for marketing reasons, then load up Xcode and build a test app that shows how you can animate multiple 6K windows full of assorted controls, images, 3D scenes, and videos at 60 - 120 FPS. If you're not capable of doing that, then perhaps you aren't qualified to be critiquing Apple's decision. Personally, I've been developing graphics software for decades, and what they are doing seems challenging and impressive.
It’s hard to go into details, but to me, that’s way more complex than just having windows placed on fixed positions. Here we have interaction between windows (dynamic resize and placement), animations when switching between spaces, very fluid resizing (it feels way different than in a mac), etc., and you have to consider that all mentioned before must be maintained for 8 spaces, taking into account that you should never expect an iPad to slow down like a Mac can.
And animations are not just aesthetic enhancements, as I have already read, they can contribute in a major way to how something feels, and ultimately determine if people will use it. For example, I can imagine many of you here (before using it) could have considered the inertial scrolling of the original iPhone a visual gimmick, but without it, UX would’ve been completely different and worse.
I have a pre-M1 iPad Pro. I don’t care about this feature but this hardware is more than capable of running it. This is basic windowing, computers have been doing it just fine for literal decades. They didn’t bring the feature the older iPads because they didn’t want to, they just need to say that.
Siri, Night Shift, Content Blockers, iOS 9 multitasking, etc. Apple has a history of gating features to newer hardware so these are just within my expectations.
Honestly, I was expecting the new windowing stuff to be released next year and be M2-exclusive.
I think something is wrong when a 2000$ Pro tablet from 2020 that was advertised to be used as a replacement for a laptop is actually as capable as a 300$ netbook from Walmart.
1. Yeah, I usually read forums, reddit, tech journalists, etc. I see the complains and jokes, you can read them everywhere here. In real life, the iPad is by far the best sold tablet, and all iPads (including iPad Pro) customer reviews are off the charts.
2. Apple just introduced a very flexible interface last week. If you expect that they will slap a desktop interface in a tablet, which cannot be used with touch, that completely changes depending on whether you connect a keyboard or not, etc. I think it won’t happen. They have been successful by avoiding to do this kind of things, and trying to make the iPad a very good tablet and not a boring PC.
I don’t see how this is relevant to the conversation you replied to, but interesting nonetheless.
"It's a feature, not a bug."
What he means--he wants to sell new iPads. No sugarcoating this at all. You can do windows like that on a 68000.
What he means--he wants to sell new iPads. No sugarcoating this at all. You can do windows like that on a 68000.
I see a couple fallacies in your statement (that wasn’t exactly the advertisement, and netbooks were barely usable), but even if all true, if it’s wrong, then why do many people buy it and are happy with it?