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How come budget netbooks with specs so much worse are able to handle multitasking just fine? Since when did a feature that's been commonplace since 2000 suddenly become something that only the top notch hardware of 2021 is able to handle - a windowing system?
It depends on you definition of “just fine”. I remember when Android phones were able to browse the web “just fine”, but the iPhone held >50% of mobile internet usage with 25% market share.
 
If you think Apple did this strictly for marketing reasons, then load up Xcode and build a test app that shows how you can animate multiple 6K windows full of assorted controls, images, 3D scenes, and videos at 60 - 120 FPS. If you're not capable of doing that, then perhaps you aren't qualified to be critiquing Apple's decision. Personally, I've been developing graphics software for decades, and what they are doing seems challenging and impressive.
If this would be really the case, they could add 2k-4k support to older iPads and 6k to newer, simply as that, but lying is much easier.

What’s next? Ohhh M1 iPads does not support 8k, let’s skip Stage Manager II all together for M1’s and call out people to buy M2’s.

A nice catch the latest tech game. To secure the money flow just build artificial limitations, as they are used to.

But yeah the silverback had to lie, otherwise he would end like Scott Forstall, few people simply likes to climb higher than others.
 
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don't launch stage manager on certain ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
launch stage manager but perform worse on ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
launch a lesser manager of stage manager on ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
apple does nothing => hah! ipad OS sucks.
 
I see a couple fallacies in your statement (that wasn’t the advertisement, and netbooks were barely usable), but even if all true, if it’s wrong, then why do many people buy it and are happy with it?
"What's a computer?" Definitely not something that cannot compete with one.
edit: I'm not sure what "many people buy it and are happy with it" is supposed to mean when every article about Stage Manager gets 500+ comments of people being unhappy with what they've bought
 
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don't launch stage manager on certain ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
launch stage manager but perform worse on ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
launch a lesser manager of stage manager on ipads => apple is forcing me to upgrade!
apple does nothing => hah! ipad OS sucks.
My thoughts exactly!
 
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I have a non-M1 2018 iPad Pro (two actually an 11" and a 12.9").

Frankly, Stage Manager looks gimmicky and not that useful. The screen is too small for genuinely useful windowed multitasking. I could see it being handy from time to time but, like most people, when I need to get real work done, I'll use my Mac.

Why is everyone losing their minds? It's not like your iPad broke!
 
'Because if we don't sell these, we have to bury them in a desert AGAIN!'.

It would be like GM announcing a car that requires a certain type of gasoline or it will instantly stop working. (Actually in the early days of 'automobiles', they would void warranties if you didn't use their recommended brand of oil, no lie, and many people found out how crazy that was) So is the M1 all that and required for that feature, or is it required to allow users to think they have to have the new hotness to get it to work.

Since you can't run that feature on anything but the new hotness, who knows.
 
It’s a bit depressing that in an Apple forum people still don’t understand what makes the iPad a great product, and why Apple doesn’t implement features just because it’s possible to do it. Yes, windowed multitasking has existed in tablets for many years. No one uses it, because no one has figured out how to do it well. And yes, a PC could multitask with overlapping windows 30 years ago. We also reached the moon with a PC 10000 times less powerful than ours, and I don’t think mine could handle it.
 
back in iOS5 times, on WAY less capable hardware, the Jailbreak-based Quasar ran multiple programs just fine in multiwindow mode - I used it a lot on my iPad 2 (512MB RAM) and 3 (1GB RAM). That is, "multitasking / multiwindow requires a lot of hardware resources not available in older models" is simply not true. It's plain greed on Apple's part, nothing else.

What happened if two apps requested 2 Gb of memory each?

Apple decided to create a Broadway play, you would be happy if they created an amateur theatre.
 
This is what you get when Marketing takes the lead in a Tech company. Eventually the $$$ will win.

Steve probarbly would have said: you either make it work or find yourself a new job.
Actually, this is what you get when it’s run by a bean counter (Tim Cook). They’re driven by numbers, and in their eyes, more models = more sales. Hence the ever confusing lineup (choice of 3 chargers for the M2 Air!). They also hate product cannibalization, hence the lack of clear direction with iPad and Mac.
 
It’s a bit depressing that in an Apple forum people still don’t understand what makes the iPad a great product, and why Apple doesn’t implement features just because it’s possible to do it. Yes, windowed multitasking has existed in tablets for many years. No one uses it, because no one has figured out how to do it well. And yes, a PC could multitask with overlapping windows 30 years ago. We also reached the moon with a PC 10000 times less powerful than ours, and I don’t think mine could handle it.
I think it’s Apple that doesn’t understand what it wants iPad to be. They keep pushing it as a full blown computer but the product feels more like a companion device because of deficiencies in software, yet the thing costs more than most entry-level computers.
 
Apple could have done a temporary inferior custom Stage Manager for older devices, but Apple would have hated making a worse version, and it probably would have been a lot of work to redesign a whole other version and then support it for years and years until the old hardware becomes obsolete. It would be a temporary but drawn out wart for them. I don’t think any company would want that. Nor are they obligated.
A lot of work? Redesign? They could have just limited the number of active apps to half. And it's not just older iPads it's also current non M1 ones and probably future ones too.
 
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Translation: We really (no sh*t) designed Stage Manager so that it requires an M1. We could have designed it to adapt to different performance requirements, but what would be the fun in that?

Stage Manager was developed and programmed by Apple employees working from home. They we're probably delighted they could take advantage of the M1 without the boring requirement it should work on older iPads.

Why do you support Apple employees when they want to work from home or unionise, but not when they are given a fun project working with the newest stuff?
 
Many people don't care about Stage Manager, they just want to be able to use an external monitor properly. And they don't need support for 6k displays. Even just 1080p would have been fine.
Apple could have just made half of the Stage Manager apps available to other iPads, and limited the resolution. And owners of non M1 iPads would have been more than happy. And I say this as someone who has an M1 iPad pro.
 
"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."

So decorative window dressings like shadows and ephemeral animations were deemed so essential to the functionality of Stage Manager that it was worth excluding several years of recent powerful products from its use? Those and external display support couldn't have been designed as runtime-optional depending on the processing speed and memory capacity of each running unit?

We all love you Craig but this is just ridiculous.
So you're upset that the device you bought a while ago doesn't have new features.
Your current iPad should still work the same as it did before.
If they were to add this, and it were to drop frames on an older iPad, Apple would get a ton of negative press.
 
"We really designed Stage Manager to take full advantage [of the M1 chip]," said Federighi. "If you look at the way the apps tilt and shadow and how they animate in and out. To do that at super high frame rates, across very large displays and multiple displays, requires the peak of graphics performance that no one else can deliver."

So decorative window dressings like shadows and ephemeral animations were deemed so essential to the functionality of Stage Manager that it was worth excluding several years of recent powerful products from its use? Those and external display support couldn't have been designed as runtime-optional depending on the processing speed and memory capacity of each running unit?

We all love you Craig but this is just ridiculous.
I just mentioned in another post that a while ago there was a jailbreak tweak that made the Ux feel fast simply by disabling or speeding up the animations.

It was awesome.

They could do this with stage manager if that a blocker.
 
Its utter BS and selfish to use this tactic to force people to upgrade from a nearly new iPad at a time when the entire world is struggling financially.

If the A12Z is capable of running full Mac OS on the dev Mac minis 2 years ago, the latest iPad mini can run this feature.
Does your iPad have 16Gb of memory as the DTK had?
 
I think it’s Apple that doesn’t understand what it wants iPad to be. They keep pushing it as a full blown computer but the product feels more like a companion device because of deficiencies in software, yet the thing costs more than most entry-level computers.
I would definitely choose an iPad over an entry-level computer every day. Way more versatile, easier and funnier to use, snappier… I think usually “software deficiencies” are really legacy PC features most iPad users actively avoid.
 
I think it’s Apple that doesn’t understand what it wants iPad to be. They keep pushing it as a full blown computer but the product feels more like a companion device because of deficiencies in software, yet the thing costs more than most entry-level computers.
Yep, just look at the Application Switcher(now Stage Manager) history. It changed its functionality and look more often than a few people changes their underwear. They keep fiddling around to motivate iPad upgrades. They are simply greedy, planed obsolescence.
 
If Apple was working on a feature like Stage Manager 16 years ago using 2006 hardware then they should be able to manage it with what they've brought out in the last eight.
Oh I see. Well, there are a lot of differences and variables we don’t know. Very hard to make that comparison.
 
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