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Apple's Craig Federighi Further Explains Why Stage Manager is Only for M1 iPads
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Yeah but once a device stops receiving OS updates, it’s a “dead device walking”—it’s a countdown until it loses all software support and eventually becomes unusable. So it’s much more important for Apple to support a new OS on as many devices as possible. With Stage Manager, we’re talking about only one additional new feature that the iPad can continue on without.
This isn’t the first time that older or lower tier Apple hardware didn’t get a new software feature.
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The only way you can beat Apple at this game is by keeping your devices longer. I am on my 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 and I have not interest in upgrading to a new one. iOS 16 I know is gonna be atrocious on it based on how buggy iOS 15 behaves.
People will be mad at this till the end of time. The iPad Air 2 was the same exclusive device to receive the original multitasking abilities of SplitScreen with iOS 9. It is the same basis of Apple’s decision here. Memory IO requirements and ability to have a baseline of good proper performance going into what is likely the biggest transformation of what an iPad really can do functionally since that Air 2 and multitasking. Apple spells it out and I find it funny how people still don’t grasp it.
"Now that we're letting you have up to four apps on a panel plus another four – up to eight apps to be instantaneously responsive and have plenty of memory”. This is the experience we're going to carry into the future.
“We didn't want to constrain our design to something lesser, we're setting the benchmark for the future."
I know people don’t want to hear this, but for the iPad Pro and iPad Air line you effectively are seeing a miniature translation into full fledged Apple Silicon evolving from what were merely enhanced A series chips with better graphics. It’s not just a faster cpu and graphics now, its the entire UMA design of the chip, the advanced USB 10Gb IO or Thunderbolt 40gb IO on the Pro’s. iPadOS is being rearchitected for these new features and abilities, because yes its iPadOS and its designed for the iPad hand n hand with touch first usability, but the hardware is in fact a lot more then your A12Z iPad Pro’s that’s just a fact.
Bright side, is like M1/M2 Macs, hopping onboard now is setting yourself up for support for the foreseeable future, consider that’s Apple hasn’t even stopped supporting intel macs and probably wont for at least another 18-24 months I would imagine, and then at that point your baseline is still M1 devices, so I mean its hard to feel like you’re going to be getting cut off, and if you are skeptical about “gen 1“ support longevity, then just grab the M2 Pro when it refreshes in fall. iPad Air people, the M1 is awesome, but hey if you don’t need these newer features, then just hold off till next Spring or whenever the Air gets the inevitable M2 refresh.
"Now that we're letting you have up to four apps on a panel plus another four – up to eight apps to be instantaneously responsive and have plenty of memory”. This is the experience we're going to carry into the future.
“We didn't want to constrain our design to something lesser, we're setting the benchmark for the future."
I know people don’t want to hear this, but for the iPad Pro and iPad Air line you effectively are seeing a miniature translation into full fledged Apple Silicon evolving from what were merely enhanced A series chips with better graphics. It’s not just a faster cpu and graphics now, its the entire UMA design of the chip, the advanced USB 10Gb IO or Thunderbolt 40gb IO on the Pro’s. iPadOS is being rearchitected for these new features and abilities, because yes its iPadOS and its designed for the iPad hand n hand with touch first usability, but the hardware is in fact a lot more then your A12Z iPad Pro’s that’s just a fact.
Bright side, is like M1/M2 Macs, hopping onboard now is setting yourself up for support for the foreseeable future, consider that’s Apple hasn’t even stopped supporting intel macs and probably wont for at least another 18-24 months I would imagine, and then at that point your baseline is still M1 devices, so I mean its hard to feel like you’re going to be getting cut off, and if you are skeptical about “gen 1“ support longevity, then just grab the M2 Pro when it refreshes in fall. iPad Air people, the M1 is awesome, but hey if you don’t need these newer features, then just hold off till next Spring or whenever the Air gets the inevitable M2 refresh.
As a digital artist… you seriously should check out the Samsung tablets. For me, there are three killer upgrades from my iPad Pro… 1. Much more screen real estate, which is huge for Clip Studio Paint, 2. a robust and extensible operating system, and 3. (And most important for artists)… Wacom EMR pen tech. The huge advantage over the Apple Pencil is that it has hover capability… meaning you see your brush size and precise location BEFORE you lay down any marks. Plus, you get “mouse-over” contextual menus, tooltips, etc.
Only downside is speed on massive files, which my iPad Pro is better at.
Because it’s insignificant Jon.
Why would they waste an interview question based on such a nonsensical topic about a ‘calculator’.
I mean, you could simply just email and ask yourself, hoping you get a reply. So there’s that.
Hmm hoping some of that is betaness and or apps not being optimized to be in and out of swap? Would kinda blow if M1 Air users get notable slowdown within the advertised 8 app ability, I mean in your example you only have one relatively intense app open being lumafusion. Will be very interesting to see the end product come fall. If an M1 8gb MBA Air doesn’t choke up with the same relative workflow then it would seem sorta odd that the iPad would get hung up.
Every time there is an issue, this guy tries to explain it, then he has to explain it again, then he tries to explain it again, and then he reverses course.
Stop. Trying. To. Explain. Things. Away.
Stop. Trying. To. Explain. Things. Away.
I don’t think that’s what they are trying to do. They very clearly have to walk a line of here’s why we can’t do X and here’s why Y can. You can easily see in these expanded comments not directly but very clearly hinting toward “the future“ and a “baseline“ for these enhanced desktop class capabilities. I mean it doesn’t take a genius from that alone to see where their mind is with where they are intending to take the iPads with Apple Silicon.
Not really. It all depends on how one uses the iPad. If it’s for basic tasks, an entry level iPad will work great. If you want to push it harder or use it more as a laptop, get one with an M- series SoC. There’s a reason why the entry level iPad is by far the most popular iPad. Most iPad users aren’t going to notice or care for Stage Manager.
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a couple years, the base iPad gets the M1
That's a business decision not to forego 30% rather than a technical one.
I would be shocked if they extended that level of performance to the price range. I think for the market Apple is targeting for the Mini and iPad the A series chips are beyond suitable.
If the code to implement stage manager (aka windows) actually requires m1 speeds or fast memory swap (it doesn't), then someone ****ed up the design. People have been multitasking and using multiple apps back when we had 2 gb memory, 1 core processors, 5200 rpm hard disks.
I don't know why Craig even bothers with technical explanations when experts at Macrumors Forums have already determined that the only reason for this is Tim Cook's greed.
I would love to see an iPad designed by this forum's members. We would be lucky if that thing wouldn't end up being hazardous to health.
I would love to see an iPad designed by this forum's members. We would be lucky if that thing wouldn't end up being hazardous to health.
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It doesn't? Whoa, Apple's engineers must be wrong then.
Yeah, I don't want that performance on iPads, thank you.
Also, you do realize that memory requirements were dramatically different back then? Those computers couldn't run today's Safari, let alone more demanding apps.
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I just watched the keynote again, Craig practically spells it out, they are using M1 as a baseline system spec for what is clearly going to be Pro apps on iPad (Apple’s Pro apps). Stage Manager isn’t “the feature” he is speaking to the foundation of something much larger in how he announces it on stage. Stage Manager itself is a single piece in a puzzle that I think we will see put together by fall with M2 iPad Pro refereshes.
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Stop making excuses. Other companies did it 10 years ago.
I’ll send a message by not buying iPads and not replacing it with anything going forward. Turns out, iPhones and laptops are all I need.
Recession is looming, better buy the dip than purchase another fun devices that runs tilts and animations well.
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I was excited about getting my first iPad years ago but between my iPhone and Mac I never use it anymore.