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I’ll sending a message by not buying iPads and not replacing it with anything going forward. Turns out, iPhones and laptops are all I need.

Recession is looming, better buy the dip than purchase another fun devices that runs tilts and animations well.
I’m guessing you are not getting the AR/VR headset from Apple?
 
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I'm old enough to remember when Macrumors was for Apple fans. Now it seems the forums are full of trolls who spend a lot of time following Apple just to hate on them. In spite of all the back in forth in this forum, most people using their older products will not know or care what Stage Manager is. The people who can get it will probably like it. Power users who will find it more important will have devices that can run it.
 
I would be shocked if they extended that level of performance to the price range. I think for the market Apple is targeting for the Mini and iPad the A series chips are beyond suitable.

It’s just normal progress. The A12/A13 on the 8th/9th gen is faster than the A10X on the 2017 Pro, and the A15 on the mini 6 is on par with A12X/A12Z on the 2018/2020 Pros.
 
Stop making excuses. Other companies did it 10 years ago.


A calendar app, calculator, notes and a clock, wow.

Again, it comes down to app sizes. Procreate can take up to 5Gb RAM alone. What about LumaFusion, Nomad, Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, etc. These are desktop-class apps. Try running them on a computer with 4Gb RAM, and have it be instantly responsive.
 
Why is this being dragged on? It sounds fishy.

"The power of the M1 chip ensures that all apps being used in Stage Manager are "instantaneously responsive."

How about instead of running multiple apps. Can you let us run a few apps using "Stage Manager" on my iPad Pro which does not have the M1 Chip? Instead of four apps… let me run two apps, please. I know it’s doable and the iPad without the M1 Chip can handle it.

The answer is, Apple wants to differentiate the products.
 
Very disappointed in this development. Not so much for stage manager but the lack of external display support for older devices. A jail broken device can manage this software feat, so I don’t buy this excuse. This is lazy product development. I miss the days where even the older hardware got a taste of new features, though limited. My 1 year old device might not run 6k but it sure can run a 1080 or 1440p device, probably even 4K. I hope Apple listens and adjust course. As is, my workflow is mostly on my M1 MBP and my iPad is used as an external secondary display.

This should reflect negatively on their environmental score. This forced obsolescence is gross.
 
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A calendar app, calculator, notes and a clock, wow.

Again, it comes down to app sizes. Procreate can take up to 5Gb RAM alone. What about LumaFusion, Nomad, Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, etc. These are desktop-class apps. Try running them on a computer with 4Gb RAM, and have it be instantly responsive.

I had Galaxy Note 10.1, I can tell you that it's nothing like what iPad Pro stage manager can do.

It's not even as functional as the iOS 14 multitask implementation.
 
My A12Z isn’t that old and it misses out on this. I’m a bit disappointed but this doesn’t effect my use case at all. I use my iPad Pro 12.9” as an external display for my MacBook Pro and a note writing.
 
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A fair explanation, and unless anyone here is an Apple engineer who somehow knows something that the rest of us don't, claims that stage manager could just as easily work on older devices remains pure speculation and not absolute fact, and it's worth bearing this in mind.
 
My A12Z isn’t that old and it misses out on this. I’m a bit disappointed but this doesn’t effect my use case at all. I use my iPad Pro 12.9” as an external display for my MacBook Pro and a note writing.
It is going on 4 years since the A12X debuted in the iPad Pro back in 2018. Your Z didn’t change anything besides enable an additional gpu core which was akin to insignificant and relatively underpowered for longevity sake the A5X was to the A5 when the iPad 3rd gen (retina debuted) it got chopped from support early where as the subsequent A6X iPad 4th gen had solid legs up until iOS dropped 32bit support entirely with iOS 10 I believe.
 
Hmm hoping some of that is betaness and or apps not being optimized to be in and out of swap? Would kinda blow if M1 Air users get notable slowdown within the advertised 8 app ability, I mean in your example you only have one relatively intense app open being lumafusion. Will be very interesting to see the end product come fall. If an M1 8gb MBA Air doesn’t choke up with the same relative workflow then it would seem sorta odd that the iPad would get hung up.
I am really hoping it is just beta software. I can see a lot potential here that has not been shown in videos.
For example, everyone is assuming it will be useless with 11 inch ad the left pane. Once you resize a window 80,90% it gets out of the way.

The experience is profoundly different on an external 27". With text resizing, having Safari and Slack side by side looks and feels like a Mac experience. None of that bloaty comically over-sized experience we've had in the past. The text resizing makes a difference. But some apps need to fix for it because it is like a responsive web page. Where one line text comment fields become 4 row multi text areas.

A few things though. They need to figure out a way to close/kill apps in stage manager mode. When an app crashes, all I see is a black box and it is annoying.
 
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I really don’t see the issue. When you purchased a previous iPad, it didn’t have Stage Manager. You bought it anyway, used it every day, were happy with it.

And now you complain it will not be able to do something it never could do in the first place.
The issue is Apple is calling you a moron by giving you a BS excuse instead of being honest.
 
... People have been multitasking and using multiple apps back when we had 2 gb memory, 1 core processors, 5200 rpm hard disks.
Not correct. People have been able to execute pre-emptive multitasking on a windowed operating system since at least the day the Amiga 500 launched. That had 1MB of and ran on a ~7MHz Motorola 68000.

FURTHER BACK...look up a video of Pieces of Light. Multitasking demo running on a Commodore 64. 1 MHz processor with 64KB. I'm still in awe of the work on that one.
 
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I am really hoping it is just beta software. I can see a lot potential here that has not been shown in videos.
For example, everyone is assuming it will be useless with 11 inch ad the left pane. Once you resize a window 80,90% it gets out of the way.

The experience is profoundly different on an external 27". With text resizing, having Safari and Slack side by side looks and feels like a Mac experience. None of that bloaty comically over-sized experience we've had in the past. The text resizing makes a difference. But some apps need to fix for it because it is like a responsive web page. Where one line text comment fields become 4 row multi text areas.

A few things though. They need to figure out a way to close/kill apps in stage manager mode. When an app crashes, all I see is a black box and it is annoying.
I would file a bug report or many on your various findings. This is invaluable info I am sure they could use to improve.
 
It doesn't? Whoa, Apple's engineers must be wrong then.



Yeah, I don't want that performance on iPads, thank you.

Also, you do realize that memory requirements were dramatically different back then? Those computers couldn't run today's Safari, let alone more demanding apps.

Which apple engineer said they can't implement stage manager on non-m1?
 
Apple is not going to make people happy here either way. If they enabled Stage Manager for non M1 iPads people would either complain that it runs poorly or that they can’t open as many apps.
They could make more people happy by sustaining older hardware to handle newer software „frills and thrills“ if they wanted to.

As one reader pointed out above, why would it not be good enough to have just 2 apps open if that would keep the 2017-2020 iPad Pro in the game. Surely, iOS can detect which gen iPad P it runs on, then implement Stage Manager accordingly. It is as it is with so many other hardware that could live longer: It is neglected so that more people „upgrade“ to the newer, in this case the M1 iPad Pro. The climate-change age hyprocisy of kicking up electronic waste while tapping yourself on the shoulder for 100% clean energy … Apple is not the only one but one of them nonetheless …
 
Want to use Stage Manager? Purchase an M1-based iPad. And find happiness.

Can't afford or don't want to purchase an M1-based iPad? Have an oversized embarrassing public whine and spout nefarious Apple conspiracy theories. And find happiness.

A win either way. I suspect most will go for the second option.
Ah yes, cynicism. Where those with nothing to add but their own false sense of superiority feel most at home.
 
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If you think Apple did this strictly for marketing reasons, then load up Xcode and build a test app that shows how you can animate multiple 6K windows full of assorted controls, images, 3D scenes, and videos at 60 - 120 FPS. If you're not capable of doing that, then perhaps you aren't qualified to be critiquing Apple's decision. Personally, I've been developing graphics software for decades, and what they are doing seems challenging and impressive.
From a technical stand point, what's the difference between having those windows always on the side, and the multitasking before Stage Manager came to be on iPad? Because those app running in the background are just there, waiting for me to bring them back up, with incredibly smooth transitions, shadows, etc. on my 350€ iPad.
 
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It is going on 4 years since the A12X debuted in the iPad Pro back in 2018. Your Z didn’t change anything besides enable an additional gpu core which was akin to insignificant and relatively underpowered for longevity sake the A5X was to the A5 when the iPad 3rd gen (retina debuted) it got chopped from support early where as the subsequent A6X iPad 4th gen had solid legs up until iOS dropped 32bit support entirely with iOS 10 I believe.
I am aware of the A12X thing. Still disappointing.
 
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