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As several people have pointed out - the jailbreak option is the one and only way to side load apps. Let’s say Apple agrees to provide an option to Jailbreak device in the settings, probably near the delete device option.

Imagine the warning:
“In Jailbreaking the device, it will no longer be unable to access the App Store, Apple software updates, Apple support and Apple warranty. Side loading software on to the device may cause the functionality of your device to fail. You may also lose functionality and support for purchased apps. To reverse a Jailbreak, requires full delete & reset to factory settings. Are you sure you want to Jailbreak the device?”
Good luck!
Oh, you mean the standard bootloader unlock of Samsung devices that blow an efuse? You actually can't go back.
 
Maybe you should listen to Federighi’s presentation. He debunks that argument with a strong counter-argument.

The whole point is that social-engineering will eventually get through that warning, either directly to you or to someone you’re connected with or whose services you rely on. And then there are apps that will avoid Apple’s walled garden entirely and you’ll either have to opt out of a popular app that all your friends are using or you’ll start to dip your toes into sideloaded apps through social pressure.
The sky is falling....
 
This is patently false. It is just plain and simple scare tactics. For folks that don't know what they're doing and need their hands held at all times, then fine, feel free not to enable the functionality. But don't you dare think for second others that do will somehow harm you. If you don't enable the functionality when the option for if were to exist, it doesn't mean some mean hacker man will do nefarious activities.

App Store, which is something that was never meant to happen, as web apps were what were supposed to use, and yet the jail break community proved that wrong and proved it can then become a cash whale, which it did do just that. They are so afraid of losing a minuscule amount of money, and lets face it, the App Store isn't going away. The curated experience isn't going away. It adds a tremendous amount of value, with the trust of the gated community, as do homes inside one too.

But doesn't mean you have to stay behind one at all times. And further, it isn't just about some people wanting to save money to avoid the Apple Tax. If someone wants to spend their own money hosting and handling credit card transactions, then why not? If the money Apple collects was really about just that, handling the little stuff so developers didn't have to. And now the App Store is big business. But it is also about people getting choice. If adult websites want to have a native experience, why not? Because Stevie J was so against smut? If he was so bothered by it, then Safari should be banned.

Choice is not a bad thing. It is time for Apple to start thinking differently again. Not act like big bad IBM.
 
Socially engineered to download an app to a computer; connect her phone to a computer; open a terminal and execute an install command; authorize the install on the phone?

That's what side loading usually look like.
Lol, what? Me thinks you don’t understand what sideloading is ?
 
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What if she's socially engineered to log into her back account through Safari and transfer $$ to a bad actor? How is Apple preventing that?

What if she's socially engineered to install Splashtop through the App Store and give control to a bad actor?
So we should stop providing some protection because we can’t provide complete protection?

This libertarian attitude of every man for themselves and screw everyone else needs to stop.
 
So we should stop providing some protection because we can’t provide complete protection?

This libertarian attitude of every man for themselves and screw everyone else needs to stop.
No. The point is that it's a silly red herring / strawman argument, to pretend that we can't have sideloading just because it might add an additional threat vector on top of the myriad of existing threat vectors that already exist, and are much easier to carry out, than trying to walk Grandma through enabling sideloading and installing malware.

Where is your bleeding heart for all of the Grandmas using Android?

The nanny state sentiment of "we know best and mama can protect you from all of the dangers in the world" is the nonsense that needs to stop.
 
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Safari and Mail are way more dangerous and easy to socially "engineer" someone into doing what you want. Aka the good ol' "I will encrypt your whole computer" (where my grandma probably would say "Yeah I don't know what you are talking about, go on" or the flaky unsubscribe tactics into getting mail integrity confirmation. Send some funny mails trying to say you're someone else as it's the common practice since the age of the dinosaurs.
You can make stupid people click all what you want if you want it and are not stupid, no sideloading needed. Malware is way less potent there as it would be through primary channels.
You are building a door where there is no wall.
 
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No. The point is that it's a silly red herring / strawman argument, to pretend that we can't have sideloading just because it might add an additional threat vector on top of the myriad of existing threat vectors that already exist, and are much easier to carry out, than trying to walk Grandma through enabling sideloading and installing malware.

Where is your bleeding heart for all of the Grandmas using Android?

The nanny state sentiment of "we know best and mama can protect you from all of the dangers in the world" is the nonsense that needs to stop.
I wouldnt let my family use android.
 
It's time. They have some good arguments, but in the end this is the wrong hill to die on. And since they've been getting more restrictive on MacOS, I feel a lot less comfortable that this is just something they want for iPhones

Malware isn't a good enough reason to completely lock down a phone
 
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The Mac doesn’t have these issues. Sure android has malware from time to time, but are the floodgates really open? Nope. Give the users the choice and if they side load and their phone craps out, limit warranty or something.
Having to struggle with android malware on my clients on a weekly basis is floodgates enough. And how does limiting the warranty help all those who have been targeted by your phone's malware and who have possibly lost tens of thousands in money?

Maybe allow sideloading but to enable that require you to become fully financially responsible for all the harm that malware causes.
 
By teaching people to use that slimy flubber thing inside their heads.
But not only inside the AppStore or Internet, because the same conventions applies to many areas of life.
Not blindly click on stuff, read things carefully, visit serious sites by entering their domain address and not by clicking one of the top10 google results.
Don’t blindly fill out forms, nor fill out flyers to take part of stupid mall tombolas, etc. Teach people to become more careful, smarter and technology affine, instead of dumb consuming zombies.
I don’t know but I suspect you are to young to know how getting old and not being able to track all of those changes and new ways of exploitation come up. Trust me it will happen to you where you think you’re doing a good job of managing it all and then you find out some organization found a clever way to exploit even you. Apple’s system is NOT perfect but it is more affective than opening the gates and expecting people to adapt and get smarter.
 
Okay….. but you can just not use the side load feature.

Keeping your loop closed.


What someone else installs doesn’t exactly affect you. If someone else wants to open their device up. They can.

You can choose to not side load anything.
Can’t you simply go to android or jailbreak your iphone? When you change a system like that it will affect people who don’t use those options. You give your friends your information all the time. Now their side loading potential can compromise you.

Technically it’s already happening. We don’t need to make it even easier.

I don’t understand why people want Apple to make this change if they can just choose an option that already exists for them to do so.

It like being in a relationship with a hot person because they are hot but don’t like other things about their personality and tell them they need to change for your benefit. Just leave the relationship and find something that makes you happy and let them be themselves whether it’s healthy or not.
 
I reject the entire premise of your question, as the relationship between sideloading and App Store scams you are trying to create simply doesn’t exist. It’s nonsense.

Android scammers target the Play Store, not sideloaders. Why? Because that’s where the vast majority of the customers are. It would be the same on iOS.

But if you can explain to me how my loading a DOS emulator to mess around with the stuff I used to play with as a kid would make your phone less secure, by all means …
Your comment is comically ignorant to the motivations of malicious actors who will exploit any platform. Just because your one DOS emulator is safe doesn’t mean it will remain safe or that other apps people want from side loading won’t be a point of ingress for such an attack.
 
Can’t you simply go to android or jailbreak your iphone? When you change a system like that it will affect people who don’t use those options. You give your friends your information all the time. Now their side loading potential can compromise you.

Technically it’s already happening. We don’t need to make it even easier.

I don’t understand why people want Apple to make this change if they can just choose an option that already exists for them to do so.

It like being in a relationship with a hot person because they are hot but don’t like other things about their personality and tell them they need to change for your benefit. Just leave the relationship and find something that makes you happy and let them be themselves whether it’s healthy or not.
I have been an Apple customer for many years. I have 2 Macs (3 of you count a still-working 2007 MBP in my closet), an iPad, an Apple Watch … I’ve got a lot of software, apps, and purchased content.

So, no, I can’t just buy a new phone for a relatively minor feature.

In any case, yet again I have someone assuring me that other people doing things to their personal phones will somehow affect you.

But I notice you don’t specify precisely how, other than being certain it will be bad, so very bad …
 
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