Apple's Custom MicroLED Displays Likely Heading to iPhone, iPad, and Mac After Apple Watch Ultra

[tridley68]

This Is good news that they are trying this out on the non pro models first that way all the kinks are worked out for those of us who purchase the pro max or ultra or whatever they are gonna call it

 

[JM]

Well I hope it comes to iPhone quicker than it took always on display and MagSafe did.

 

[KanosWRX]

So wait, they are going from OLED to MicroLED? They are going backwards!?!? Wow! Gotta make sure I buy whatever the last OLED model is and just hold onto that for awhile.

 

[KanosWRX]

hopefully Apple will push this forward to the whole industry
micro-Led is just next gen level and it will be with us for decades to come

No its not, its really not that good, have you seen a MicroLED screen. It will never be as good as OLED unless you can get a 1:1 ratio of zones to pixels.

 

[newyorksole]

No its not, its really not that good, have you seen a MicroLED screen. It will never be as good as OLED unless you can get a 1:1 ratio of zones to pixels.

these threads always fascinate me because everyone is so against Apple’s plans lol.

so my question is, you don’t think Apple is going to make MicroLED screens better than what are already out there? is that possible?

and why do you think Apple is even willing to ditch OLED if the former is worse? genuinely curious because idk.

 

[Channan]

I’ll always be excited for display improvements. It’s hard to imagine visuals getting better than OLED though.

Imagine OLED but even brighter and without burn-in risk. That’s MicroLED.

 

[Channan]

No it’s not, it’s really not that good, have you seen a MicroLED screen. It will never be as good as OLED unless you can get a 1:1 ratio of zones to pixels.

I don’t think you’ve seen a MicroLED screen because you’re describing mini-LED.

Mini-LED = backlit display with dimming zones

MicroLED = individually lit RGB subpixels just like OLED

 

[Student of Life]

Does MicroLED allow the flexibility of Oled screens? Some variant of a foldable screen seems inevitable and when it's done right it will be a massive hit.

Remember Apple ditched its keyboard that worked perfectly for something far worse so while I do love Apple, they are not perfect and they do make some questionable moves.

 

[DocMultimedia]

More great "coming after 2024 so you'll forget I said it" statements from analysts. Lol.

 

[xxray]

Imagine OLED but even brighter and without burn-in risk. That’s MicroLED.

OLEDs are already at 2000 nits brightness (iPhone 14 Pro, Apple Watch Ultra), and I don’t worry about burn-in on my Apple OLED screens, though I do worry about it on my LG OLED tv.

Obviously, having no worry about burn-in is an advantage of microLED, along with thinner and lighter displays, but those are more infrastructure differences than visual differences. That’s why I said that it’s hard to imagine visuals getting much better than OLED already is. Trust me, I want any improvements to displays we can get, it’s just hard to imagine anything better than what OLED already produces since I haven’t seen it yet.

 

[Realityck]

OLEDs are already at 2000 nits brightness (iPhone 14 Pro, Apple Watch Ultra), and I don’t worry about burn-in on my Apple OLED screens, though I do worry about it on my LG OLED tv

Reference

iPhone 14 Pro Max display review: The pinnacle of OLED

Cutting-edge hardware meets display engineering prowess and color science in the single most impressive screen I've seen on any phone.

www.xda-developers.com

For the iPhone 14 Pro Max, its OLED can only reach the claimed 2,000 nits when the screen has 25% or fewer of its pixels lit up, or when the average luminance of the entire screen is below 500 nits.

It turns out that Apple was being modest with its 2,000-nit claim, as I've measured the display to actually be able to output 2,200 nits for a 10% window or up to 2,300 nits for a 1% window. Of course, a tiny 1% window of white isn't a realistic scenario for any type of content, which is the condition many other phone makers use to market their screen's peak brightness. I'm happy to see Apple reporting real-world metrics for its screen. Next year, we will no doubt see other companies advertise 2,300 nits peak brightness for this same generation of OLED

 

[Student of Life]

OLEDs are already at 2000 nits brightness (iPhone 14 Pro, Apple Watch Ultra), and I don’t worry about burn-in on my Apple OLED screens, though I do worry about it on my LG OLED tv.

Obviously, having no worry about burn-in is an advantage of microLED, along with thinner and lighter displays, but those are more infrastructure differences than visual differences. That’s why I said that it’s hard to imagine visuals getting much better than OLED already is. Trust me, I want any improvements to displays we can get, it’s just hard to imagine anything better than what OLED already produces since I haven’t seen it yet.

I think MicroLED makes more sense in a product like a Monitor/iMac/MacBook/watch and maybe an iPad/pro if they are kept on all day with a static image. That is not the case with the iPhone.

Speaking of burn in i still have no idea how my parents 2014 imac (27) got burn in images on the screen, it was the docking where mail, safari etc are located. If that can happen on a led screen im sure it can happen on an OLED, still no idea how it happened. Maybe they put it on constant on by mistake?

 

[Realityck]

Speaking of burn in i still have no idea how my parents 2014 imac (27) got burn in images on the screen, it was the docking where mail, safari etc are located. If that can happen on a led screen im sure it can happen on an OLED, still no idea how it happened. Maybe they put it on constant on by mistake?

See

Avoiding image persistence on Apple displays - Apple Support

Learn how to avoid and fix "persistence," "image retention," or "ghosting" on certain Apple displays.

support.apple.com

When you leave an image such as a login window on an IPS display for a long period of time, you might temporarily see a faint remnant of the image even after a new image replaces it. This is called "persistence," "image retention," or "ghosting." It's normal behavior for an IPS display, and the faint image will disappear over time.

 

[teknikal90]

It's more about consistency and longevity than out of the box image quality... The O in OLED stands for organic... organic compounds are generally (but not always) less stable than inorganic compounds... They usually have shorter lifespans with wider variability and are more difficult to "tame" than inorganic materials.

Any display, though, where temperature and self-illumination vary from pixel to pixel will be, almost by definition more difficult to stabilise their luminosity over time compared with displays that use blanket illumination and passive pixels (typical blanket lit LCD panels).

Micro LED illuminated panels themselves will also likely suffer from back light variability, since LEDs (though to a lesser extent than their Organic counterparts) also get dimmer as they age. So I expect that Micro LED panels will also suffer burn in over time.

True for permanent displays, but for phones, the lifespan matters less nowadays when the lithium battery and the advancement of tech ends these devices' effective use within 5 years.

 

[dwaite]

at this point, micro LED is all hype. Nobody is currently using it in anything. It’s all just dubious promises currently

It is very real promises - but manufacturing small enough high-output LEDs has been a big challenge. Thats why you see gigantic, low volume units for ridiculous prices (e.g. a 110" Samsung TV at $150k).

If Apple has come up with their own process here, they have likely patented the utter crap out of it.

 

[Marty80]

How about a design overhaul with that new screen Tim!

 

[enterthemerdaverse]

OLEDs are already at 2000 nits brightness (iPhone 14 Pro, Apple Watch Ultra), and I don’t worry about burn-in on my Apple OLED screens, though I do worry about it on my LG OLED tv.

You just have to yum-scroll IG cooking videos and then you get burn-in and maybe burn your cooking too.

 

[jkundi]

Hi does anyone know if microLED will use PWM for dimming? I'm wondering as I'm the few that suffers from PWM headaches and eye strains.

Thanks

 

[ijordano]

Will anyone realistically notice the difference from OLED??

 

[Tagbert]

Will anyone realistically notice the difference from OLED??

Visually microLED will probably be similar to OLED. Both are types of display where each pixel is an LED emitter and there is no separate backlight and filter. MicroLED does have potential to be brighter and be less susceptible to burn-in as it uses silicon instead of a more fragile organic dye of OLED to generate the light.

 

[Ortiz83]

That sucks. I wonder if thats considered part of the OLED characteristics or its covered under a warranty.

I guess Ill be waiting to upgrade till its microLED since I usually keep my phone for at least 3 years.

I’ve left my iPhone 13 Pro max and 14 pro max on all night on a same image due to me falling asleep while on the phone. Not one burn in for me. Never.

 

[Ortiz83]

This is what burn-in looks like when I show it on top of a full screen white background.

Some apps have burned their icons into the display. The iOS menu bar items and task switcher also are burned in.

This isn't Apple's fault. It's just what OLED does if your display is on a lot after more than 2 years.

That sucks. I’ve had both iPhone 13 Pro Max and not one burn in. Now I got the 14 pro max, I have the alway on feature on, and fell asleep through the night multiple times with the phone on stuck on an image and no burn in. Glad it hasn’t happen to me.

 

[Tagbert]

That sucks. I’ve had both iPhone 13 Pro Max and not one burn in. Now I got the 14 pro max, I have the alway on feature on, and fell asleep through the night multiple times with the phone on stuck on an image and no burn in. Glad it hasn’t happen to me.

The AOD being much dimmer than normal means it is pushing less power into the pixels and this less prone to burn-in.

 

[duck apple]

Whenever Apple gets the tech for this working and production scaling at the price they need, it'll be great and be the end of the big downside of OLED panels (burn in). So glad Apple is pushing it forward.

Guessing rollout will be gradual into products though as they keep refining it and reducing its costs. Going to be a long time before its in the base iPhone just guessing.

I never researched a bit of Micro LED, but one thing I'm sure is it will face the same issue of power consumption.

Apple advertises iPhone 14 Pro had 2000nits peak brightness, pure bull shxt. It's not even half the brightness of Mini LED iPad Pro (peak 1600 nits in spec). I ordered an iPhone 14 Pro Max a few days ago and returned it the next day simply because it is not capable of showing the beauty of sun shining through golden cloud before dusk or the silver shimmer reflection of a white dog's moustache in a bright day, as been shown on my iPad Pro.

Why? The I asked myself why the 2000 nits peak iPhone is not capable of showing the true image of HDR photo taken by itself? My theory is OLED power consumption. You may be able push a bunch of pixels to level of 2000 nits, but you can't brighten up 1/4 million of pixel to 1000 nits, not to say the total of 3 millions of pixels up to 400 or 500 nits. It consumes too much power and will generate too much heat.

So, I would say Mini LED, as implemented on iPad Pro panel, the greatest yet the cheapest display of its quality in the world, is the most well balanced solution.

And don't tell me the the blooming effect of Mini LED. All those demonstration photo or so-called experts measurement either exaggerated the effect or didn't consider that light will spill over in all directions. If OLED or Micro LED was capable of achieving the same brightness, I guess the same blooming will also be manifested; that is the law of self illuminating light: the neighboring dark pixels can't cancel out the spill over from the relative much more bright light of bright pixels.

 

[bondr006]

Why would your screen be on and on the Home Screen enough to burn in? I only ever saw burn in on a friends old android phone where she’ll fell asleep with it touching her skin and the phone screen stayed on all night long. Burn in doesn’t happen in normal use cases

Really? Could you elaborate on what the burn in is. I've never heard that on an iPhone before.

How in the world did you get screen burn-in on an OLED display on an iPhone? That’s rare.

It's not rare, but actually very common and well known.

ð iphone oled burn in - Google Search

www.google.com