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The UK welcomes Authoritarianism. They join the ranks of North Korea and China on infringing citizen's privacy.
I'm from the UK and I completely agree.
The current government with that c**t Starmer in charge is an absolute joke.

There also wanting to be able to snoop into peoples bank accounts who are in receipt of benefits to see what goes on with their bank accounts, under the guise of needing to do this to cut down on benefit frauds.
 
Perfect summary. The UK continues heinous acts against its own citizens and is trying to come after US citizens for its thought crimes laws. They forget we have oh so many guns
It's not guns. It's called five eyes. You can guarantee that any US folks caught in the fishing net will have their data passed directly to the NSA per their long-standing agreement. It's a clever cheat around not legally being able to surveil Americans. Of course the favor is returned by agreement but it's hardly of worth because Brits have no expectations around privacy from a functional standpoint. I should go see if Sheneir has a post on his security blog about this.
 
How long for the "grace period" I wonder?
Likely - long enough to see if the UK reverses their decision. However, the logic to force a downgrade probably doesn't exist yet, while the logic to prevent it from being enabled does.

And if you don't disable ADP, then they pull iCloud from you entirely?
It is still cloud-backed in the same way, just with a key that Apple doesn't have escrowed via their HSM. They'll cut off your ability to update it, or possibly to read it at all.
 
Likely - long enough to see if the UK reverses their decision. However, the logic to force a downgrade probably doesn't exist yet, while the logic to prevent it from being enabled does.


It is still cloud-backed in the same way, just with a key that Apple doesn't have escrowed via their HSM. They'll cut off your ability to update it, or possibly to read it at all.
This seems like the most straightforward approach
 
Surely that’s no different to the past when we stored our data on the computers hard drive. Apple were not considered liable for data loss if the hard drive in your Mac failed.
Now replace personal hard drive with cloud backups, and you'll see why people would consider them liable.
 
Now replace personal hard drive with cloud backups, and you'll see why people would consider them liable.
Apple's well-compensated stable of lawyers have likely though of that, you probably have to accept it with every activation of a new phone and every iOS update.
 
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Looks like it might be time for Brit’s to start buying Huawei and other chinese phones. At least if they’re going to spy on you, they won’t show up to your house over a mean tweet online
Don't worry they will still find a way to meet their quota and arrest pensioners for hurting someone's feelings online. I assume via facebook because that's where old people proffer their unsolicited slop
 
The one thing I don’t understand is why this doesn’t apply to the data that is already end to end encrypted without ADP.

This is confusing me too. And like someone pointed out in a previous thread, it also isn't clear what this means for someone visiting the UK that currently has the feature turned on. Or someone moving to the UK too I suppose. And the grace period also seems to be offering an exception that wouldn't be legal? It doesn't sound like this is actually enabling Apple to stay within the demands of the UK government. But maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
 
This is confusing me too. And like someone pointed out in a previous thread, it also isn't clear what this means for someone visiting the UK that currently has the feature turned on. Or someone moving to the UK too I suppose. And the grace period also seems to be offering an exception that wouldn't be legal? It doesn't sound like this is actually enabling Apple to stay within the demands of the UK government. But maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
I expect that visitors would have encrypted data slurped up with all the rest and put aside for later in the event access is possible down the road. If you move there but have, say, a US or EU account id expect it would force the compliance based on how the 3rd party app store roaming works. But I don't know for sure. Just a guess given what's already in place. The grace period is likely subject to the same gag order that prevents Apple from really discussing particulars, safe to say every company in Apple's position was given a compliance deadline to be mindful of.
 
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But the rest of the world -- for now -- is safe from British totalitarianism.
That's quite optimistic considering the agreements they have in place for reciprocating sharing of data. Maybe someone is safe from the UK poking around but if you're in Australia or the US they take the data and hand it off to the local counterparts who can now poke around at their leisure. That's the nature of the five eyes agreement.
 
Wonder if it’ll be like how social media sites used to be long time ago. For example, mixi.jp required all users to have a Japanese email address in order to create a profile. Only way (for most people) to get a Japanese email address was by being in japan because yahoo, Hotmail, etc all looked at the IP address of who’s trying to create an email. No Japanese IP address? Sorry, no can do. As far as people visiting the UK in this scenario, anyone with a non .uk address I wonder if will be safe since using those iCloud features requires an email address. Either way, UK government has bigger issues on its hands than some mean tweets online or a text message that someone said Starmer is a knob with ears.
 
I mean, the US is racing to catch up on authoritarianism.
Not even close. I can say Biden, Trump, anyone is a #ickhead and the police aren't going to come harass me. Post in a UK based forum with a UK IP address that Starmer is a #ickhead and see how it turns out. Call King Charles a #ickhead for better measure, it'll go over swell I'm sure.
 
Not even close. I can say Biden, Trump, anyone is a #ickhead and the police aren't going to come harass me. Post in a UK based forum with a UK IP address that Starmer is a #ickhead and see how it turns out. Call King Charles a #ickhead for better measure, it'll go over swell I'm sure.
what nonsense 😃
post about *tab*ing or sexually assaulting a female MP or attacking a school however… & even then it'd be rare for any door-knocking
 
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Apple could have forced a people based action to change this law by simply ceasing business for a month. Instead, they caved like the uncaring spineless capitalists who spew lip service about privacy as a human right that they are.

Second - how can anything that goes to iCloud remain protected as the article states. For example passwords. You sync them, they’re in the cloud, Apple has a decryption key. Right?
 
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The UK can make any laws it wants. Just like in oppressive regimes like China, if the government wants access to its citizen's private data stored in the cloud, then ultimately Apple must comply if it wants to continue doing business in the UK. And it's naive to think that Google and other cloud providers aren't subject to the same demands - they've just kept it a secret.

However, the idea that the UK government can demand access to all iCloud user data globally would create an absurd precident. Imagine if China demanded that Apple give it access to all American citizen's cloud data. It's simply an impossible, and ridiculous, thing to ask.
 
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MacRumors should have put this story into context by explaining what The Investigatory Powers Act is, why it was brought in, how it works and who it’s targeted at.

AFAIK it was originally intended to catch peadophiles who are using encrypted cloud storage to store and share child sexual abuse images.
 
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Not even close. I can say Biden, Trump, anyone is a #ickhead and the police aren't going to come harass me. Post in a UK based forum with a UK IP address that Starmer is a #ickhead and see how it turns out. Call King Charles a #ickhead for better measure, it'll go over swell I'm sure.
That’s just a ridiculous statement. Don’t believe everything you see on Fox News.
 
Apple could have forced a people based action to change this law by simply ceasing business for a month. Instead, they caved like the uncaring spineless capitalists who spew lip service about privacy as a human right that they are.

Second - how can anything that goes to iCloud remain protected as the article states. For example passwords. You sync them, they’re in the cloud, Apple has a decryption key. Right?
Wrong. The article clearly states that passwords are not part of ADP and automatically encrypted, Apple does NOT have decryption key for this.
 
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