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Apple's Deal With Google for iPhone Search Pegged at Over $100 Million Per Year

840quadra said:
I truly hope these two companies can work together going forward. This posturing over the mobile phone market is nothing more than destructive.

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The riff between Apple and Google over phone and search agreements go beyond competitive and posturing. Google broke an agreement with Apple. Not one it is inclined to try to enforce via litigation, but one which colors Apple's behavior going forward, to Google's long term pain.

I would not be surprised to see a rash of search patents by Apple over the next 5 years, as well as ramping patents on phone and pad and "future device" operational constraints.

Then expect to see Apple buy larger interests in patent troll companies so they get sweetheart deals on minor breaches and the ability to pound their competitors, as needed.

This fight is about to go large scale corporate. Don't mess with Steve. He even said please first.

Rocketman
 
I have a web site that gets about 80% of its hits from Google and the rest from Yahoo. I've never had ONE hit from Bing....not a single hit. That tells me one of two things is going on:
(1) no one uses Bing.
(2) Bing's web crawlers are really really bad and haven't found me yet.
 
SandynJosh said:
I have a web site that gets about 80% of its hits from Google and the rest from Yahoo. I've never had ONE hit from Bing....not a single hit. That tells me one of two things is going on:
(1) no one uses Bing.
(2) Bing's web crawlers are really really bad and haven't found me yet.
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What type of traffic does your site get?
 
Stupid Argument

"Our source tells us "there's too many options" for search on the market, so there's no reason for Apple to build its own search engine."

Thats like saying: "there's too many options for personal computer and multimedia mobile devices, so there's no reason for Apple to build their own" :confused:
 
I want nothing to do with Google anymore. Their data mining overtures have become extreme to me. All my emails scanned by them and offer me advertisements, uploading contacts from my iPhone, offering all this Google maps features on the side to entice me to offer even more information as to where I am on the global map -- no thanks.

I'm sure more than enough of that information is gathered behind the scenes as I connect to "the internet", but giving it to them freely, no thanks.

I've tried to use Bing for a week and it really does suck, doesn't compare to Google results. If they can't get it right now, pretty sure it won't care in the future. I find it amazing that no one can produce Google results that give a damn.

In the end, I find myself moving more and more away from Google, Facebook and other entities that want to be a part of my life, but that's nothing to do with my real life.

-Greg
 
g3signal said:
I want nothing to do with Google anymore. Their data mining overtures have become extreme to me. All my emails scanned by them and offer me advertisements, uploading contacts from my iPhone, offering all this Google maps features on the side to entice me to offer even more information as to where I am on the global map -- no thanks.

I'm sure more than enough of that information is gathered behind the scenes as I connect to "the internet", but giving it to them freely, no thanks.

I've tried to use Bing for a week and it really does suck, doesn't compare to Google results. If they can't get it right now, pretty sure it won't care in the future. I find it amazing that no one can produce Google results that give a damn.

In the end, I find myself moving more and more away from Google, Facebook and other entities that want to be a part of my life, but that's nothing to do with my real life.

-Greg
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Before there was Google there was AltaVista. Yahoo is a close second to Google. Google does best what it does do, but its motto, "don't be evil", is necessary for a reason. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the draw toward increased earnings while large now, will become intense as Google growth slows and there is pressure to maintain revenue and margin growth, crack for stocks. Then we will see exactly how far up our ass Google is.

They would claim they let us "opt in". Dudes, when you ask me 20+ times to opt into something that each give me privacy chills, you are up my ass. Do you get that? Can you hear me now? EVERYTHING you collect is available to intelligence agencies (owners of all the back doors) who do not have to follow any privacy laws whatsoever, and just because they do not advertise access to your systems, does not mean they do not have it. 24/7. Google? Can you hear me now? Crickets?

They have already postured to be close to the actual largest information management and data mining expert on this planet. The NSA.

Privacy not only is dead, but has been for many years now. Probaly even before 1984.

We are the only country on the planet where the citizens are themselves considered "sovereigns". Perhaps it is time to start weilding this actual legal authority?

One of the practical advantages of Apple's "closed" system approach is there is a viable alternative to snooping vendors when it gets so bad real people start noticing.

Interestingly, Stephen P. Jobs IS STRATEGIC DEFENSE. Not bad for a HS graduate.

Rocketman
 
$100 million? Really?

Hey google ill put a big "GOOGLE" banner on the roof of my house for that money.
 
Our source tells us "there's too many options" for search on the market
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There's Google, which owns basically the entire market. And there's Bing...which is better than MSN Search, or whatever the hell it was before.

And that's it. The only other half-decent general search engines that are not powered by Google or Microsoft are Russian or Chinese specific.

Particularly if you want maps in the deal, again your options are Google or Microsoft. You can say a lot of things about the state of search, but "too many options" isn't one of them. There are two. Two options.
 
Keeping the gun loaded

It would be nice to see Apple make a search that is focused on the growing market share of the Mac/iPhone/iPod/Tablet. Apple tends to not do anything half a$$ed and I have always liked that about them.

Apple should look into it and keep a small staff around to play with ideas, so if Steve ever gives the go ahead, they have a plan ready. With Google’s recent actions of backstabbing Apple, it might be a good idea to keep the gun loaded if Apple is ever forced to fire back.

P.S. does anyone remember <http://www.cuil.com/> Apple should scoop that one up. This way most of the work is done for them.
 
Apple Strategy

We all know Bing is not as GREAT as Google.

Some times I get this feeling - Apple wantedly created this rumor of Apple & Microsoft are in talks to bring Bing to be the default search engine in iPhone.
Because, this will make Google offer little more than what they were paying Apple to be Google as the default search engine.
 
till said:
There's Google, which owns basically the entire market. And there's Bing...which is better than MSN Search, or whatever the hell it was before.

And that's it. The only other half-decent general search engines that are not powered by Google or Microsoft are Russian or Chinese specific.

Particularly if you want maps in the deal, again your options are Google or Microsoft. You can say a lot of things about the state of search, but "too many options" isn't one of them. There are two. Two options.
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Nope I think Yahoo! has a bigger share than Bing.
 
If there's a non-optional switch to Bing in future iPod/iPhone firmwares, my next phone will almost certainly be a Nexus One now it's known to support multi-touch.

I do love my original iPhone and it's the first smartphone I've owned that doesn't make me so angry I want to throw it out of the nearest window every 5 minutes. In fact it's the first phone I've had for more than a year... Ever, I think.

That said, the genuine iPhone tariffs are a complete and utter rip-off in the UK (which is why I still have a 2G on an O2 rolling contract), the hassle of not being able to upgrade without losing and reconfiguring everything (because frankly a non-jailbroken iPhone is pretty damn useless!) plus having to manually navigate to google every time I want to find something on the web is going to be a PITA.
 
Now, time for the obvious poll...which 'tech minded' person would take the time and effort to go into settings and switch the setting back to Google from Bing?

I think we can safely agree that 90% at least would take that 30 second trip to the settings page. Lord knows we go there often enough to turn off Wifi on any non-jailbroken device :rolleyes:

It would be essentially ludicrous for Apple to make switching back non-optional. There would be an outcry so large that their popularity would drop off the charts, even for fanboys.

It's one thing not to allow you to install another browser, but it's something else to force a default search engine in the browser. Who else remembers the days of IE4 in which you had the damned search puppy hunting the web for you in a left sidebar? Ugh.
 
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