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They didn’t add new features in the last 3 years at least. The software is still buggy, this won’t help either.
 
So they can't redesign the home screen layout AND fix bugs under the hood at the same time? Remind me again...are we talking about a small software company or is this a company with a couple hundred billion dollars cash in the bank? :rolleyes: I mean, if they can't walk and chew gum at the same time, sure, fix the issues under the hood first -- many of which have been plaguing iOS for several years (basically since iOS 7) -- frame drops, inconsistent UI, etc.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly.
 
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You mean Apple is going to continue doing what they've been doing with release like High Sierra, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion, etc, where they focus on performance? They've done the same with iOS too. This is nothing new.
No idea what you're talking about. There hasn't been a Snow Leopard equivalent in ... well ... since Snow Leopard. They've been on a buggy downhill slope since then and it hasn't gotten better. And you can't be serious if you think iOS 11 is the result of focusing on performance. o_O
 
No idea what you're talking about. There hasn't been a Snow Leopard equivalent in ... well ... since Snow Leopard. They've been on a buggy downhill slope since then and it hasn't gotten better. And you can't be serious if you think iOS 11 is the result of focusing on performance. o_O

Snow leopard, mountain lion, and high Sierra were each introduced and marketed as a focus on quality at the expense of new features.

The fact that they didn’t actually get quality as a result (for high sierra at least) doesn’t change the fact that they explicitly said they were holding back on features to focus on quality.
 
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Mac OS is barely above "Maintenance" mode status as it is. The annual updates show that Apple have lost interest in applying innovative new functionality.

The days of Apple adding new exciting features to Mac OS are long gone.

It is a stable OS but some of the larger bugs are discouraging given that high sierra was a "minor" release. I agree about the lack of innovation. Windows is adding innovative features on a almost bi yearly basis and the pipeline for Windows looks very interesting. MacOS not so much.
 
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Snow leopard, mountain lion, and high Sierra were each introduced and marketed as a focus on quality at the expense of new features.
They were, but that isn't what they turned out to be. High Sierra is definitely not a more stable Sierra.

The fact that they didn’t actually get quality as a result (for high sierra at least) doesn’t change the fact that they explicitly said they were holding back on features to focus on quality.
Looks like we're on the same page, just saying things differently. Like you said ... they were intended as "improvements" and the results were hardly that.
 
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Actually this is very new. Snow Leopard is the holy grail of polishes, Apple held off on all "eye candy" upgrades and went deep into the nitty gritty of the OS to rewrite Finder, add Grand Central Dispatch, and generally clean and speed up the system. Starting with Lion, Apple shifted to a yearly update schedule where they began adding features without fine tuning them, leading to a horrible bloated mess. It took several years and OS releases after that to bring things into somewhat of a useable state. Now, it seems that Apple neglects to do any fine tuning until there is a negative report in the press, or a class action lawsuit is filed against them

Make no mistake, I do like Apple products, and have been an Apple customer for quite a few years. I really appreciate Apple and what they do, I simply want them to return to the basics of "it just works," and clean up after themselves after they release new software (and hardware)

//This description makes a lot of sense. It would appear that the successful polish of Snow Leopard, for Macs of course, took place during a period of time just before iOS, the iPhone and their ilk over-shadowed everything else at Apple, in terms of marketing, revenue.....and organizational priority.//
 
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Mac OS is barely above "Maintenance" mode status as it is. The annual updates show that Apple have lost interest in applying innovative new functionality.

The days of Apple adding new exciting features to Mac OS are long gone.


What features do you actually need though?
I feel like as a average user, everything I need is already included.
 
You mean Apple is going to continue doing what they've been doing with release like High Sierra, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion, etc, where they focus on performance? They've done the same with iOS too. This is nothing new.
Hopefully, it means that instead of releasing half-baked features in one version and fixing them in the next, they'll make sure they're fully baked before releasing them the first time.
 
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They were, but that isn't what they turned out to be. High Sierra is definitely not a more stable Sierra.


Looks like we're on the same page, just saying things differently. Like you said ... they were intended as "improvements" and the results were hardly that.

So we are in agreement :)

But after they’ve failed repeatedly at quality, why would anyone applaud them going back to the well and doing it again, when we still can’t even do everything on macOS that we can do on iOS?
 
What features do you actually need though?
I feel like as a average user, everything I need is already included.

How about updated Posix commands / BASH?

Mac OS Posix utilities are way behind the latest and greatest.

Mind you, this isn't innovation, Apple should have kept these up to date.

How about Apple surprise the user base - Apple keep on claiming they are innovative.
 
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macOS has become stale anyways, the 'features' they add every year aren't much. I welcome a focus on quality. But also please bring automatic night mode and a proper night mode for finder, messages...

I wouldn't say it's become stale. Rather, matured. Traditional computers have been around for decades now and there's not really much new you can do with them that hasn't already been done. At this point, there's no reason why Apple needs to push new desktop OS versions every year.
 
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Isn’t that what the past 3 years of MacOS updates were supposed to be?
Yes. This confirms all of us who’ve been complaining for the last several years were and are correct.

Complainer haters successfully pwned.
 
Maybe they finally decided to focus on proper cmd+x / cmd+v commands to move files in the Finder and making the green button maximize windows the right way?

Although.. it shouldn't take this long to fix BASIC things like this. Then again, how long did Apple have a single button mouse?
 
So we are in agreement :)

But after they’ve failed repeatedly at quality, why would anyone applaud them going back to the well and doing it again, when we still can’t even do everything on macOS that we can do on iOS?
I'm not holding my breath. There's still a small shred of hope that they'll actually manage to release a stable macOS and iOS. I had the Pixel 2 for a bit and I enjoyed it, though I'm currently enjoying my X. Depending on what happens this year, I may get a Pixel 3 or something. It's the first time in a long time that I don't feel tied to the Apple ecosystem.
 
They didn’t add new features in the last 3 years at least. The software is still buggy, this won’t help either.
^^Agreed... the moment you start introducing new code - you are back to the same problem with the next release which will still require multiple maintenance releases to become stable.

The solution is to turn IOS/OS into SaaS and forget about this big a** releases - Apple will probably not do it as they love the free press during WWDC
 
I welcome this, but as others have mentioned - haven't they been doing this for a few years now? iOS 11 on the iPad are the only major changes I have noticed for a few years.
 
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