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Apple's Demands of Vodafone
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There are, last I checked, 365 days in a year. I check Mac Rumors at least 7 times a week. There are not 365 Macintosh Computer rumors or news.
Just ask yourself this,
is iPhone news keeping MacRumors from posting other news?
Is iPhone news so numerous that Macintosh news is getting buried?
Perhaps you think that Arn is cheating us somehow and glossing over computer related news, but I'm doubtful of that. And your news reading habits probably differ from mine, but I really don't have any problem scrolling down to catch news I care about it, be it Desktop, Laptop, iPod, iPhone, or the next big thing from Apple.
That said, we have 7 bootable Macs at home, and the iPhone is faster than 3 of them
And it displays more colors than two of them
And is capable of surfing the internet, unlike one of them...
~Earendil
This place has really been 'applenewsandrumours.com' for quite some time. Anything Apple does, or anything done by other companies somehow relating to iPods, Macs, OSX or Apple related technology makes it to the site.
If this site were limited to just rumours about the Mac, there would be maybe one new story on average every two weeks.
True That
TRUE THAT !!! Why isn´t MacRumors installing a seperate platform for that. iPhone is coll and all ... but it is just a gagdet (hopefully with a lot of impact tho) and should be "rumored" in a seperate section of it´s own !
TRUE THAT !!! Why isn´t MacRumors installing a seperate platform for that. iPhone is coll and all ... but it is just a gagdet (hopefully with a lot of impact tho) and should be "rumored" in a seperate section of it´s own !
What OS does it run? MAC OS X. What is something that runs Mac OS X? a mac! Or does the Xserve also not count as a mac because it's not branded as such?
that's because the iphone is a mac! It's better than my Powerbook G3
Time for a new Mac.
I second this. Arn or whoever is reading this post, please post more Mac rumors (living up to the domain name). The iPhone is a piece of telecommunication instrument which doesn't resonate with the general ownership of this site. A lot of people who have made a firm decision of not purchasing a iPhone / and those of who have are really sick and tired and reading about *yet another European company pissed by Apple*. WHO THE F*** CARES!?!?!? The iPhone has became a Paris Hilton of Mac rumors sites. Please.........
What do you propose we do? Pluck some out of thin air? If nothing is being posted about Macs, it's because there is no Mac news to post.
Please keep the remainder of this thread on topic, or if you have an issue please use the Site and Forum Feedback area.
People have to remember that AT&T had to upgrade/change their system to accommodate the "Visual VoiceMail", the interaction with Apple's system to recognize the "Activation", & the enhancement good or bad of the EDGE network. This had to cost a tremendous amount of money and most likely they needed a long term commitment from Apple to make that happen.
I don't know if they needed a 5 year commitment, that seems a bit long based on some of the hypothetical calculations that have been made in this thread.
I don't know if they needed a 5 year commitment, that seems a bit long based on some of the hypothetical calculations that have been made in this thread.
It all depends on what you want
Personally, I want to spend less time on the computer when I'm at home with my family. I bought the iPhone so I can keep up with events when I'm on a cardio machine at the gym, like I'm doing now while listening to iTunes and replying to this post, or waiting in the lobby of someone's office.
As you said, if you need a handheld, the iPhone is great.
It will not replace my large LCD at home, but it's a mighty fine extension of it.
Personally, I want to spend less time on the computer when I'm at home with my family. I bought the iPhone so I can keep up with events when I'm on a cardio machine at the gym, like I'm doing now while listening to iTunes and replying to this post, or waiting in the lobby of someone's office.
As you said, if you need a handheld, the iPhone is great.
It will not replace my large LCD at home, but it's a mighty fine extension of it.
Seems that way.
Someday I would hope things will be a little more world wide verses country specific -- or at least be more standardized like NTSC/PAL for televisions has been.
P.S. I like your location "Moonchild!"
Sure, and that's a fair complaint. We've all thought about it since they dropped 'computer' from the name (to varying degrees of alarm/calm). Just don't bash MR for reporting on Apple's current baby when it is the only thing worthy of attention at the moment
I guess I didn't really mean to bash MR...I was actually bashing Apple. Steve is so glossy eyed over his iPhone I honestly think everything else has been forgotten or pushed back.
Where is the new iMac? I'd sure like to buy one of those. How about a new design for the MacPro? The outside design of the MacPro is getting a bit long in the tooth. I guess when Apple went Intel I expected things to move a lot faster then they did in the PPC days, but revision times have actually gotten longer. Granted more improvements between revisions, but development in general has slowed on the Mac line over the past year or so. The same can be said about the iPod line.
I think the fact that 10.5 was pushed back BECAUSE of the iPhone says a lot. I wonder how many other projects are getting pushed back? What is the percentage of Apple engineers dedicated to the iPhone right now? I bet it is very high.
I guess the fact is that I am starting to see something that no one would ever admit around here. It started with the iPod and the Intel switch was the big turning point. I am glad that we have nice fast Intel hardware now, but honestly why does Apple even build their own PC hardware anymore? I can see the day of contracted engineering and building upon us. I can see Apple exit the actual computer hardware business (other then re-branding and re-styling) and focus on software and consumer entertainment products.
Ok...anyhow sorry for getting people off topic...I just wanted to clarify I DID NOT mean to bash MR or the people that run it.
Back to the iPhone topic...
what i see
the only thing i see there is apple wanted to restrict content/service
there will need to be many changes to the service and content of the iPhone experience b4 i get one.
the only thing i see there is apple wanted to restrict content/service
there will need to be many changes to the service and content of the iPhone experience b4 i get one.
Essentially, the mobile phone operators are in the business of consumer credit.
No, SIM-only is not pay-as-you-go. PAYG is called "pre-paid" over here.
A SIM-only plan means exactly that, you only get a SIM-card and no phone.
The SIM is what actually identifies you to the network. Your phone number and plan are tied to the SIM, it also stores the phonebook. So if you get a new phone, you just put in your current SIM and done. Or if you get a new plan, you can get a SIM-only plan and just put the new SIM in your old phone.
Usually, the SIM-only plan is a lot cheaper because the phone company doesn't have to sponsor a new phone. (E.g. 9 euro/month for 300 minutes)
Yes it is.
I wonder if it's even legal to make it exclusive. AFAIK it's illegal for the main function of product A to depend on also buying product B (instead of similar product C or D).
If for example, you sell a car that will only fit the factory stereo, it's not a problem (the stereo is not the main functionality of the car) but if it required you to also only buy gas from them or it wouldn't run, that would be illegal. It's basically anti-competitive.
Not exactly.
[TRIVA]Vodafone Group, which is (nominally) UK-based, has a 45% stake in Verizon. Verizon, in turn, has an approx 20%ish stake in Vodafone Italy.[/TRIVIA]
[OPINION]Whilst the other countries in the Vodafone group try to at least give the impression they are working "as one", Vodafone generally seem to let Verizon do what it wants.[/OPINION]
SL
The revenue sharing rumor is interesting.
On the one hand, I think it's crazy. Just as crazy as Universal wanting a cut of iPod sales. Apple makes the phone. They don't provide the network, so why should they be entitled to any part of that monthly service fee.
On the other hand, the iPhone is unique. This specific device is probably pulling through a LOT of new AT&T contracts that would not have been signed otherwise, so there is justification to argue that Apple is responsible for AT&T getting much of that new revenue stream.
This was probably AT&T's concession in exchange for being the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US. Otherwise, that exclusive contract wouldn't offer any real benefit to Apple. And once the iPhone ceases to be an exclusive product, there won't be any justification for revenue-sharing, since it will no longer draw customers to one carrier.
That exclusive contract may be for this specific model iPhone - allowing Apple to sell version 2 elsewhere. Or there may be other loopholes.
Of course, without actually seeing the contact, this is all speculation. But I can't believe Apple would ever sign a potential suicide pact.
Several reports (including stack traces from app-panic bug reports) show that it is running a Darwin kernel, with some of the Mac-standard frameworks, but there are several frameworks that Macs don't have, and it is missing several frameworks that Macs do have.
An iPhone has a different processor, different file system (which is not user-accessible), different I/O devices, and almost certainly has a very different system-board architecture. On the software side, there is no Finder, no Dock, no Spotlight, no way to install your own software, etc. As nice as the iPhone is, I would never call it a Mac.
This is very different from an Apple-TV, which has been shown to run full-blown Mac OS using a Mac-standard hardware architecture (although with a CPU much slower than any shipped in devices sold as Macs.)
On the one hand, I think it's crazy. Just as crazy as Universal wanting a cut of iPod sales. Apple makes the phone. They don't provide the network, so why should they be entitled to any part of that monthly service fee.
On the other hand, the iPhone is unique. This specific device is probably pulling through a LOT of new AT&T contracts that would not have been signed otherwise, so there is justification to argue that Apple is responsible for AT&T getting much of that new revenue stream.
This was probably AT&T's concession in exchange for being the exclusive iPhone carrier in the US. Otherwise, that exclusive contract wouldn't offer any real benefit to Apple. And once the iPhone ceases to be an exclusive product, there won't be any justification for revenue-sharing, since it will no longer draw customers to one carrier.
Of course, there may be hidden outs. I'd be surprised if Apple didn't write some in. As it turns out, the iPhone appears to be as successful as expected, but I can't believe that Apple would allow themselves to be tied to a boat-anchor, if it would have flopped (or if AT&T screws up and kills it in the future.)
That exclusive contract may be for this specific model iPhone - allowing Apple to sell version 2 elsewhere. Or there may be other loopholes.
Of course, without actually seeing the contact, this is all speculation. But I can't believe Apple would ever sign a potential suicide pact.
Well, not as crippled as carriers usually provide. But Apple's BT isn't complete either. OBEX file transfer is absent. The only way to get content into the iPhone is by syncing via iTunes and a USB cable. And the only way to get photos out is to e-mail them.
I don't think the plan is all that new. The iPhone plans are about the same price as a traditional AT&T voice plan plus their standard smartphone unlimited data plan (which is $20).
Well, Apple's advertising only says "OS X", they don't use the word "Mac" in that phrase.
Several reports (including stack traces from app-panic bug reports) show that it is running a Darwin kernel, with some of the Mac-standard frameworks, but there are several frameworks that Macs don't have, and it is missing several frameworks that Macs do have.
An iPhone has a different processor, different file system (which is not user-accessible), different I/O devices, and almost certainly has a very different system-board architecture. On the software side, there is no Finder, no Dock, no Spotlight, no way to install your own software, etc. As nice as the iPhone is, I would never call it a Mac.
This is very different from an Apple-TV, which has been shown to run full-blown Mac OS using a Mac-standard hardware architecture (although with a CPU much slower than any shipped in devices sold as Macs.)
When tying a product to another product, you may be right.
But it's different when tying a product to a service.
For instance, there's nothing that requires XM Radio receivers to be compatible with the Sirius broadcasts or vice versa.
And cell carriers in the US have been selling locked phones (and refusing to unlock them) for years. If there was any illegality here, I'm certain there would've been plenty of widely-published lawsuits by now.
The revenue share is, in effect, a handset subsidy in disguise.
It's the network that pays for handset subsidies. But the network recoups that money by making the contracts more expensive than they'd otherwise need to be.
With the iPhone, there is no subsidy, but the contracts are no cheaper either - so the network ends up with an extra chunk of money, which it gives to Apple in the form of revenue share.
If Apple didn't get that revenue share, then they'd probably need to slap an extra few hundred dollars on the price of the iPhone to recoup their R&D & setup costs.
So you see, in a way, the iPhone is subsidised. It's just that the model in innovative and different - what would you expect from Apple?
SL
Digital Lifestyle Company
Apple dropped the word computer from their corporate ID because they wanted to be your digital lifestyle provider. It's "i" everything these days so to the nerds that just want to hear about the latest motherboard performance numbers, those days are over my friends. The masses want sexy easy to use stuff to enhance their lives. They don't care about these things we call computer specs but they do want sexy computers. The masses create page views for Macrumors. Macrumors makes money in the process and Arn can buy a few more Mac products here and there . I don't think it's going to revert to the way it used to be. That wouldn't be progress would it? Be happy for Arn and support the growth of his site or find a site that talks about the specs of them new shiny imacs and nothing else. Whining about these things is annoying to read through in these threads. Make a thread that doesn't interupt the site maybe? Call it "Macrumors post news about everything mac Waaaahhhh!"
Apple dropped the word computer from their corporate ID because they wanted to be your digital lifestyle provider. It's "i" everything these days so to the nerds that just want to hear about the latest motherboard performance numbers, those days are over my friends. The masses want sexy easy to use stuff to enhance their lives. They don't care about these things we call computer specs but they do want sexy computers. The masses create page views for Macrumors. Macrumors makes money in the process and Arn can buy a few more Mac products here and there
. I don't think it's going to revert to the way it used to be. That wouldn't be progress would it? Be happy for Arn and support the growth of his site or find a site that talks about the specs of them new shiny imacs and nothing else. Whining about these things is annoying to read through in these threads. Make a thread that doesn't interupt the site maybe? Call it "Macrumors post news about everything mac Waaaahhhh!"
Well guys guys guys you really need to remember that the iPhone runs Mac OS X. Also the iPhone will push more people to switch to Mac and especially the laptops and desktops. So for all those people wanting to split this forum into two parts ought to be quartered and drawn for their suggestion, considering that they have forgotten that the iPhone will spread the halo effect.
for now, imagine plugging in a monitor, bluetooth KB and mouse
the ipod, now, the iphone is the computer, as i have said since 2002, well on appleinsider anyway.