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Apple's Designers Clashing Over 'Tacky' Software Skeuomorphisms

Artey said:
I'm with Ive on this. They look awful, they don't follow Apple's design and they shouldn't be there. Why would the company even go with Forstall when it comes to design? It's not his job. It IS Ive's job. Just listen to the man, he knows what he's talking about.

Get rid of those tacky UIs!
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Plus 1,

Apple either have a great corporate designer in charge or not.
Ive has proven himself.

Form follows function is always best. Showing stitching and animation is already bad. As somebody already posted let 3rd party suppliers make skins and mess things up!

Start with cleaning up the mess that the AppleTV UI is now.
 
Crispy Duck said:
Exactly, and there is no "page curl" animation when changing months.
It seems Apple actually back-tracked to better usability with Mountain Lion.

I just hate the position of the Today/Back/Forward buttons being way over the the right... they should be directly below the Day/Wee/Month/year buttons... less mousing about the screen. IMO.
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No stitching, but the header is kind of leather-esque, there's the torn page graphic ...



... and yes, the page curl is still there if you use a two-finger gesture on a trackpad while in Month mode :D
 
Everyone's talking about Calendar (I personally think it's ugly, even the mtn lion version), but I think one case where this design paradigm works really well is the Contacts application:

contacts_hero.jpg


Simple, stays out of the way, no stupid transitions, but looks great and makes the application stand out a bit. Tone down Calendar, remove the transitions, and you have a potential winner. They should keep the torn paper bits though, I think that was a nice touch. :)
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Marco Arment (instapaper) has some good thoughts on it:



"Overdoing the interface metaphor"
http://www.marco.org/2010/03/11/overdoing-the-interface-metaphor
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I wouldn't really call those good thoughts. That is not at all how iBooks works. You don't have to do a full screen swipe to turn pages, you can just tap once. It takes all of half a second to turn the page as well not two seconds. I think the best argument against this stuff is to just say that most of the time it's ugly.
 
I like the iCal format. Isn't this what makes it an apple? Otherwise we have just plain old computer fonts. Who writes in Gothic?

Keep it. Let Jony stay with hardware.
 
Steve Jobs knew how to do, make improvements to streamline and ideas ... so is the difference between android (also windows) and iOS now!


:apple:
 
samwight said:
I'm puzzled. Some 200 comments, and no one else has mentioned the absence of stitching. I have the latest OSX (Mountain Lion) on a retina MBP, and not only is the app called calendar, and not ical, but there is no stitching. Is everyone else here still on Lion??
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But i think it's still present in notes (fullscreen) like, sadly on my iPad :(
 
D.T. said:
No stitching, but the header is kind of leather-esque, there's the torn page graphic ...



... and yes, the page curl is still there if you use a two-finger gesture on a trackpad while in Month mode :D
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I dislike the leather header and the torn bits of paper too.

But the point I was making is Mountain Lion went a bit of the back by removing the stitching, and the page animation... although if you prefer the two-finger gesture the pesky animation crops up again. So yeah, they should offer options – a simple couple of tick boxes in the preferences...
Leather/Metal
Animations On/Off
etc...
CHOICE... give us CHOICE!
 
Sixtafoua said:
I love/ hate these looks too. I think it goes to show apple has great graphic designers on hand, but then again, it's not very creative or original. iOS and OS X don't have that the modern and creative UI that WP8 and Windows 8 have.
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Wow really.....

First Microsoft has no idea about UI this is the first attempt to try something new. Yeah is original but with years in my belt of working with PC's I can say that that New? Metro is not that practical and is not intuitive. They got it wrong they think that with metro they are going to bring consumers in with this look but is really turning theire costumes away you need a tablet feel in a tablet and a desktop fell on a desktop. We don't need to go to office in metro and then is win7 .... Even all things digital saw this insane approach to original and modern they are late for that they just need to deliver something solid for there consumers and enterprises really please make your hardware solid too(Xbox) I don't want to buy a win laptop and it was just as crappy and cheap as hp but at a higher price.... HP ... A whole other post.

Sorry for my bad English
 
milbournosphere said:
They should keep the torn paper bits though, I think that was a nice touch. :)
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I don't even like torn paper on real paper calendar or notebook. They usually have perforation to make it easy to tear the pages out without creating little torn paper pieces. Some people are not competent enough to pull this off, but there are tools to help avoiding it. One could even use a knife in the real world. There's no point in going backwards and making it impossible to have a clean paper edge.
 
I don't know if it's a good thing that means the company can try different directions, or a bad thing as the company is split like a government back bench and has constant in house fighting?

As said, meh iPhone 5.. then they can carry on fighting to the brink of destruction.
 
I personally love the Metro minimalist design, and find a lot of the Calendar/Gamecenter style offensive.

Adults should never fall for skeumorphism.
 
I hope team Ive wins so much.

Apple's software is so ugly and the UI is so badly laid out now. Look at how the Podcast app has the buttons crushed together, how the FF and RW buttons aren't shaped like the rest of the iOS buttons that gives an instant clue to what they do, all in a clumsy homage to a product that has long since been surpassed.

This is not just a matter of taste. The Skeuomorphisms have long since started to make Apple's software actively harder to use.
 
MacRumors said:
…Apple's iOS chief Scott Forstall has long been a proponent of incorporating skeuomorphic features in the company's software, with Steve Jobs having supported and even originated that design direction for Apple's products.
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Dare i say that… Steve would have allowed this? Because he did? :eek:
 
I side with Ive all the way. The man clearly knows his stuff. The animations though are not bad -- it's the UI really. OSX begins to feel dated, and having fo-leather certainly doesn't help the ethos.
 
Anuba said:
The Windows 8 tiles look nice and clean but it's just a facade. Maybe Windows should be called Layers. Underneath the tiles is the same old butt ugly Aero desktop that they introduced with Vista. And underneath that layer, in places where M$ hopes users won't go, are several old dialogs from Windows 2000 that they couldn't be arsed to rework. Keep peeling and soon enough you're in DOS.
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You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. :rolleyes:

DOS was eliminated when they converted to the NT kernel.
The command line interpreter "Command Prompt" has no actual DOS code in it. All 16 bit code was eliminated ages ago.

Aero... gone.

Explorer.exe is relegated to an app, no longer required to run Windows.

Virtual wrappers replaced legacy code.
In Windows 8, you can enable 16 bit app support however a legacy 16 bit app cannot interact with the kernel or hardware at any level. It's stuffed into a sand boxed wrapper.
 
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