Apple's Difficult App Store Decisions Determined by Executive Review Board Run by Phil Schiller

[developer13245]

That’s my point. The Mac App model works fine. My opinion is that the ios App Store works even better than the Mac App Store in this regard.



Caring has nothing to do with it.

The simple fact of the matter is that as with any profession, there will always be bad actors. While not perfect, the ios App Store does an admirable job of weeding out the bad players, at no real cost to me as the end user.

You as a developer is basically expecting me to give up some measure of security and ease of use so that you can earn more money, at no appreciable benefit to myself. Nothing wrong with that, but let’s not pretend that your motives are any more noble than this.

At least I don’t.



Then walk away. They just won’t earn my money, and I know I did spend quite a bit last year on iOS apps.



Like I said earlier. Care has nothing to do with it. There are bad players and if the industry can’t police itself, then don’t complain when Apple steps in to do what must be done.



Like I said above, it’s all about the money.

And guess who loses?

Us end users.

In Apple you trust. But you fail to understand that Apple is the worst choice to place such trust. The Uber app privacy violations prove this because Uber is also a large company. Large companies have the most potential to do damage due to their size and power. Again, if the willful Uber privacy violations weren't discovered by a 3rd party you NEVER would have known about them. How many other willful privacy violations have been covered up by Apple because the perpetrators were "too big" to expose? You'll never know because Apple has the power to implement such cover ups. And Uber has the power to face zero consequences for their willful violations. Apple has never faced scrutiny for their failure to find the Uber privacy violations during App Review, or their inappropriate handling of the situation. Instead, Apple has been able to deflect criticism toward developers by promulgating a false narrative that developers cannot be trusted, so end users need Apple to police them. Then Apple abuses this police power to further disadvantage smaller developers. In the end this only harms Apple because it stifles innovation.

Yes, many developers have walked away from Apple, and have taken their ideas with them.

 

[Abazigal]

In Apple you trust. But you fail to understand that Apple is the worst choice to place such trust. The Uber app privacy violations prove this because Uber is also a large company. Large companies have the most potential to do damage due to their size and power. Again, if the willful Uber privacy violations weren't discovered by a 3rd party you NEVER would have known about them. How many other willful privacy violations have been covered up by Apple because the perpetrators were "too big" to expose? You'll never know because Apple has the power to implement such cover ups. And Uber has the power to face zero consequences for their willful violations. Apple has never faced scrutiny for their failure to find the Uber privacy violations during App Review, or their inappropriate handling of the situation. Instead, Apple has been able to deflect criticism toward developers by promulgating a false narrative that developers cannot be trusted, so end users need Apple to police them. Then Apple abuses this police power to further disadvantage smaller developers. In the end this only harms Apple because it stifles innovation.

Yes, many developers have walked away from Apple, and have taken their ideas with them.

Okay, we will ride on your Uber scenario since you keep coming back to it.

Let’s say the iOS App Store is opened up and Uber is able to offer their app on other app stores, or users are allowed to download it directly from Uber’s website.

Who is going to hold Uber accountable for privacy violations then? You are right in that it ultimately comes down to trust, and I am not sure how a third party is going to have the leverage to force Uber to accede to their terms, when they are not the ones who have the power in this relationship.

Likewise, Uber is a free app, so unless this App Store is paying me to download said app, remind me what the benefit to me as a consumer is again?

And developers come and go all the time. The crux of the matter is that I am not going to switch platforms in order to get an app I couldn’t otherwise access. These developers are going to have to support iOS if they want to earn my money (for whatever it’s worth). That’s the way it has always been (for me), that’s the way it will always be.

 

[developer13245]

Okay, we will ride on your Uber scenario since you keep coming back to it.

Let’s say the iOS App Store is opened up and Uber is able to offer their app on other app stores, or users are allowed to download it directly from Uber’s website.

Who is going to hold Uber accountable for privacy violations then?

3rd party researchers. They in FACT did find the violation after APPLE FAILED to do so during APP REVIEW! Why can you not understand this?

Again, I cited an example where I witnessed an App WITH RESTRICTED API VIOLATIONS be placed in the store IN 30 MINUTES after the dev lead called their contact AT APPLE. HOW COULD APPLE CODUCT A PROPER APP REVIEW IN 30 MINUTES!?!?!

In 2009 Apple published an OPEN LETTER to the FTC stating that all apps were independently reviewed by TWO SEPARATE REVIEWERS before being approved. APPLE LIED TO THE FCC AND AMERICAN PUBLIC WITH THIS LETTER!

Yet you place your trust in solely in such a corrupt organization.

You are right in that it ultimately comes down to trust, and I am not sure how a third party is going to have the leverage to force Uber to accede to their terms, when they are not the ones who have the power in this relationship.

Likewise, Uber is a free app, so unless this App Store is paying me to download said app, remind me what the benefit to me as a consumer is again?

And developers come and go all the time. The crux of the matter is that I am not going to switch platforms in order to get an app I couldn’t otherwise access. These developers are going to have to support iOS if they want to earn my money (for whatever it’s worth). That’s the way it has always been (for me), that’s the way it will always be.

You completely miss the point. Developers aren't making money on iOS anymore. Sure there are a few exceptions (me), but for the most part it's already over.

Do you also believe that every iOS app in the store has a full time team of developers sustained by the app's revenue? That would be a hilarious assumption.

Part of the reason I can make decent money on iOS is because I support MANY apps in the store published by many different vendors. All are in bare minimum maintenance mode, but I make enough from each to keep the lights on (for now). My peak revenue year was in 2015 when most of my customers paid me to rip out iPad features from their apps. I got paid to both implement iPad features, then rip out iPad from the same apps. Hilarious! I surely would rather be making money from more creative endeavors, but this is the reality APPLE has created.

When someone like me can make more money doing brainless app maintenance work than bringing creative new App ideas to the platform, APPLE has a BIG problem.

My brainless app maintenance business used to be something that was hard for me to admit, but even I don't care anymore.

And finally, see the MR front page:

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/23/doj-tech-company-antitrust-review/

WINNING!

 

[Abazigal]

3rd party researchers. They in FACT did find the violation after APPLE FAILED to do so during APP REVIEW! Why can you not understand this?

Again, I cited an example where I witnessed an App WITH RESTRICTED API VIOLATIONS be placed in the store IN 30 MINUTES after the dev lead called their contact AT APPLE. HOW COULD APPLE CODUCT A PROPER APP REVIEW IN 30 MINUTES!?!?!

In 2009 Apple published an OPEN LETTER to the FTC stating that all apps were independently reviewed by TWO SEPARATE REVIEWERS before being approved. APPLE LIED TO THE FCC AND AMERICAN PUBLIC WITH THIS LETTER!

Yet you place your trust in solely in such a corrupt organization.

You are not getting my point.

Anyone could have found that issue. Problem is - who is going to have the leverage to force Uber to address said issue?

Certainly not your third party App Store, which I suspect is going to turn an even bigger blind eye to infractions like this. Because they must, if they are to attract the big players.

 

[developer13245]

You are not getting my point.

Anyone could have found that issue. Problem is - who is going to have the leverage to force Uber to address said issue?

Certainly not your third party App Store, which I suspect is going to turn an even bigger blind eye to infractions like this. Because they must, if they are to attract the big players.

Uber will pull the app from the App Store and distribute it themselves. Or BTW: Apple could have kicked them out of the store when the actual privacy violation was found, which would have forced Uber to self-distribute. When the 3rd party researcher undoubtably finds additional privacy issues users will have a choice to simply remove it from their phone.

3rd party Stores will also compete to protect users. It will NOT be in these competing stores interest to distribute Uber because Uber is a dirt bag app that willfully violates user privacy.

If other 3rd party stores decide to distribute Uber's dirt bag app those stores will gain the same dirt bag reputation - fair enough. Right now, Apple is distributing Uber's dirt bag app, so Apple is the dirt bag store - also fair enough.

You will not be affected by any of this because you will not have the Uber app on your phone because it was not in the Apple App Store - or maybe you will if you and Apple won't respect 3rd party researchers work (as it is now).

If Apple chooses, Apple can simply get out of the Mafia business because they have no need to "put a hit" on a 3rd party researcher, or cover up Uber's, or other's crimes. They can put their reputation first.

Apple goes back to making great hardware and regains their "Pure as the driven snow" reputation. See how this works?

But Apple is going to fight like heck to prevent this because they make to much money by distributing dirt bag Uber's dirt bag app.

 

[Abazigal]

Uber will pull the app from the App Store and distribute it themselves. Or BTW: Apple could have kicked them out of the store when the actual privacy violation was found, which would have forced Uber to self-distribute. When the 3rd party researcher undoubtably finds additional privacy issues users will have a choice to simply remove it from their phone.

3rd party Stores will also compete to protect users. It will NOT be in these competing stores interest to distribute Uber because Uber is a dirt bag app that willfully violates user privacy.

If other 3rd party stores decide to distribute Uber's dirt bag app those stores will gain the same dirt bag reputation - fair enough. Right now, Apple is distributing Uber's dirt bag app, so Apple is the dirt bag store - also fair enough.

You will not be affected by any of this because you will not have the Uber app on your phone because it was not in the Apple App Store - or maybe you will if you and Apple won't respect 3rd party researchers work (as it is now).

If Apple chooses, Apple can simply get out of the Mafia business because they have no need to "put a hit" on a 3rd party researcher, or cover up Uber's, or other's crimes. They can put their reputation first.

Apple goes back to making great hardware and regains their "Pure as the driven snow" reputation. See how this works?

But Apple is going to fight like heck to prevent this because they make to much money by distributing dirt bag Uber's dirt bag app.

Are we suddenly going to pretend now that the scenario being played out on the android side is not going to happen for iOS?

Your proposed scenario is not going to work.

 

[developer13245]

Are we suddenly going to pretend now that the scenario being played out on the android side is not going to happen for iOS?

Your proposed scenario is not going to work.

Mmmmm matter not does it to you. The iOS Store of Apple Apps you stay with. Remember you must: Apple you trust.

-Miss Piggy
[doublepost=1563931053][/doublepost]And Hey! Apple can get INTO the business of distributing Apps FOR ANDROID! If Apple does such a good job, they should be able to make a lot of money.

 

[Abazigal]

Mmmmm matter not does it to you. The iOS Store of Apple Apps you stay with. Remember you must: Apple you trust.

Viva La Apple!!!

 

[I7guy]

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And finally, see the MR front page:

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/23/doj-tech-company-antitrust-review/

WINNING!

This is an investigation and will take quite a bit to time (imo). You think the endgame is another AT&T and Judge Harold Greene?

 

[developer13245]

This is an investigation and will take quite a bit to time (imo). You think the endgame is another AT&T and Judge Harold Greene?

I wasn't there in 1984, but came upon "the scene" some time later. It was ok for a while, but competing with the French Alcatel monopoly was not survivable. Now, Huawei reigns as el último hombre en pie - this pisses off the US government more than you'll ever know - especially because Nokia (current owners) told them to go covfefe themselves - but I digress...

Tech was booming through the 90's until the 2001 crash and continued to sputter until the late 00's. Things seemed like they'd get better, but we just ended up with the current oligarchy crap salad. Carnage along the way includes:

Working for a startup that gets smushed by Microsoft, who had (has) the habit of buying 2nd rate competition, then dumping inferior product on the market below cost to kill better technology. Ctrl-alt-Delete quality is just cheaper, it wins every time - except when they had to actually manufacture the hardware as in Windows Phone. This became their six billion dollar lesson, which maybe they learned from - or - maybe not. The place is still a disaster to work at.

After actually rising from being actually dead, Apple seemed to be a savior in 2008 when they needed the "little guy" to "think outside the box", especially because they needed us to bring ideas to the iPhone that corporate cube-villes would strangle in the cradle. This was good in the beginning, but Apple then tossed us overboard after they were done with us.

Google, despite their pledge to not be, is pure evil. Try shipping a brand new original iOS game title, only to see Google search results summarize your new app as having a "One Star" rating ON ZERO REVIEWS. This was obviously a bug that google let slide for at least six months - despite several developers complaining about the problem. Coincidently, I was invited to an Apple "developer days" traveling butt kiss show (not naming which one) where I pinned down an Apple marketing jerk and asked why I would bother writing another app for ANY Apple platform when this kind of SH*T happens to small developers. I got the idiot's card first and threatened to go to the press with his name (that wiped the "how can I help you" crap eating grin of his face).... The problem was fixed by the end of the day. But it was too late by that point - so much for entrepreneurship - getting caught in the Apple vs Google evil "ecosystems" cross-fire ended that.

I've watched friends lives ruined by taking a job at Amazon.

And along the way I listened to Mark Zuckerburg talk about how younger people are smarter. And also heard venture capitol 'leaders" talk about how a person's ability to generate new ideas dies when they hit 45 - all while watching my government do nothing about age discrimination.

So to answer your question: I think the endgame must take down these companies to restore competition. They know China also must be dealt with, but that could all change back to the old status quo in 18 months. But if the government gets it wrong, I hope they actually do destroy Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Amazon in the process. All these companies have made me their enemy. I gain no benefit from their continued existence so I'd rather they cease to exist. In fact, if I could do anything to speed their demise, I wouldn't hesitate.

 

[I7guy]

I wasn't there in 1984, but came upon "the scene" some time later. It was ok for a while, but competing with the French Alcatel monopoly was not survivable. Now, Huawei reigns as el último hombre en pie - this pisses off the US government more than you'll ever know - especially because Nokia (current owners) told them to go covfefe themselves - but I digress...

Tech was booming through the 90's until the 2001 crash and continued to sputter until the late 00's. Things seemed like they'd get better, but we just ended up with the current oligarchy crap salad. Carnage along the way includes:

Working for a startup that gets smushed by Microsoft, who had (has) the habit of buying 2nd rate competition, then dumping inferior product on the market below cost to kill better technology. Ctrl-alt-Delete quality is just cheaper, it wins every time - except when they had to actually manufacture the hardware as in Windows Phone. This became their six billion dollar lesson, which maybe they learned from - or - maybe not. The place is still a disaster to work at.

After actually rising from being actually dead, Apple seemed to be a savior in 2008 when they needed the "little guy" to "think outside the box", especially because they needed us to bring ideas to the iPhone that corporate cube-villes would strangle in the cradle. This was good in the beginning, but Apple then tossed us overboard after they were done with us.

Google, despite their pledge to not be, is pure evil. Try shipping a brand new original iOS game title, only to see Google search results summarize your new app as having a "One Star" rating ON ZERO REVIEWS. This was obviously a bug that google let slide for at least six months - despite several developers complaining about the problem. Coincidently, I was invited to an Apple "developer days" traveling butt kiss show (not naming which one) where I pinned down an Apple marketing jerk and asked why I would bother writing another app for ANY Apple platform when this kind of SH*T happens to small developers. I got the idiot's card first and threatened to go to the press with his name (that wiped the "how can I help you" crap eating grin of his face).... The problem was fixed by the end of the day. But it was too late by that point - so much for entrepreneurship - getting caught in the Apple vs Google evil "ecosystems" cross-fire ended that.

I've watched friends lives ruined by taking a job at Amazon.

And along the way I listened to Mark Zuckerburg talk about how younger people are smarter. And also heard venture capitol 'leaders" talk about how a person's ability to generate new ideas dies when they hit 45 - all while watching my government do nothing about age discrimination.

So to answer your question: I think the endgame must take down these companies to restore competition. They know China also must be dealt with, but that could all change back to the old status quo in 18 months. But if the government gets it wrong, I hope they actually do destroy Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Amazon in the process. All these companies have made me their enemy. I gain no benefit from their continued existence so I'd rather they cease to exist. In fact, if I could do anything to speed their demise, I wouldn't hesitate.

I’m sure the streets are littered with stories such as yours. People blaming bug tech for the inability to promote a healthy competitive environment. Yet these companies managed to make it big and other companies do thrive.

Having been involved in startups in the past it is difficult. However in your heart of hearts you know these companies aren’t going anywhere and at the end of the day this is all posturing. There’s no judge Greene to “save the day “ and make the world a better place for us common folk.

But honestly there is a lot of sour grapes in your posts, with one thing I do agree with with. Apple should enforce its App Store rules fairly, to the best of its ability.

 

[developer13245]

Viva La Apple!!!

I’m sure the streets are littered with stories such as yours. People blaming bug tech for the inability to promote a healthy competitive environment. Yet these companies managed to make it big and other companies do thrive.

Having been involved in startups in the past it is difficult. However in your heart of hearts you know these companies aren’t going anywhere and at the end of the day this is all posturing. There’s no judge Greene to “save the day “ and make the world a better place for us common folk.

But honestly there is a lot of sour grapes in your posts, with one thing I do agree with with. Apple should enforce its App Store rules fairly, to the best of its ability.

Apple is incapable of enforcing its App Store rules fairly because large companies have leverage. Apple had to give Uber a pass because Uber is large and has such leverage. So did the company I contracted for that had the App with restricted APIs in the store in 30 minutes. Small developers don't have such leverage, so the rules really only apply to them. This is obvious.

But small developers being caught in cross-fire of the Apple vs Google war is not OK. This should be a main focus of the DOJ effort. My experience with this was a VERY news worthy event, and I exploited that (more about this below).

My criticism of Apple is NOT that the Apple App Store isn't fair, but rather that Apple blatantly lies that it is - and - they intimidate small developers with their size, and being the "only game in town".

The only way to level the playing field is for Apple to allow 3rd party App installation on iOS devices.

However, I will reveal a secret that NOW is worth sharing due to the DOJ anti-trust announcement:

Apple threatens developers about going to the press with complaints. Why? Because it's the only 'leverage' small developers have AND... IT WORKS!!!! Why the heck do you think Apple threatens developers against involving the press? Apple essentially is attempting to preemptively disable the most effective weapon developers have.

Here's how it works:
There are at least several media organizations that will develop a story about developer complaints of Apple. This number is growing due to the current SCOTUS case. These organizations will 'develop' a story outlining the issue, then contact Apple "for comment". Apple will respond to the media that they will look into the issue, and to please hold the story until 'someone' from Apple can "look into the issue". That person will indeed look into the complaint and resolve it - then reply to the media that Apple has resolved the issue with the developer. The story never gets printed, and the developer has their issue resolved... Fair enough? But wait, there's more: You would think the developer is now "Black Listed" by Apple and you would be correct - but - the media organization is now an interested 3rd party. If Apple ever retaliates against the developer the media organization has a MUCH BIGGER story to report because they can validate a claim of previous complaints. Why do think threatening the Apple marketing staff worked in my case?

Also, the DOJ does have an anti-trust complaint intake here:

https://www.ftc.gov/faq/competition/report-antitrust-violation

In summary, the time is NOW! The DOJ has Apple on its radar, so NOW is the best time to involve the press, and the DOJ directly.

I'm not a sour grapes case. My strategy against Apple and "Big Tech" is adversarial - and that strategy is working $$ for me. My own apps have survived in the store for as long as they have (+10 years) because I limit their amount of exposure to Apple's idiocy. I've also been able to maintain a reasonable client list based on this strategy. I sell them 'protection'.

Speaking of my own Apps, I've also been able to "weaponize' them against Apple's interests. There have been at least a few VC funded startups that have entered the "space" my apps reside in. When this happens I lower the app prices to tier 1 ($0.99), and watch the VC funded Apps do the "Burn Rate" dance. It's so satisfying when they eventually go out of business. Even more satisfying is when I 'advised' (paid of course) a potential startup seeking VC funding for a start up involving a new App. They developed a good pitch that should have yielded funding, but no VC would even let them present - why? - "off the record" one VC firm told them they weren't considering App startups (no matter how good the ideas were) because 1: Apple's draconian behavior, and 2: having the idea "knocked off" even badly, buy a cheaper competitor. My efforts contributed to the destruction of VC money, and also crushed new ideas that could have been brought to the iOS platform. Again, WINNING!

In summary, the time is NOW! The DOJ has Apple on its radar, so NOW is the best time to involve the press, and the DOJ directly.

 

[Abazigal]

Apple is incapable of enforcing its App Store rules fairly because large companies have leverage. Apple had to give Uber a pass because Uber is large and has such leverage. So did the company I contracted for that had the App with restricted APIs in the store in 30 minutes. Small developers don't have such leverage, so the rules really only apply to them. This is obvious.

But small developers being caught in cross-fire of the Apple vs Google war is not OK. This should be a main focus of the DOJ effort. My experience with this was a VERY news worthy event, and I exploited that (more about this below).

My criticism of Apple is NOT that the Apple App Store isn't fair, but rather that Apple blatantly lies that it is - and - they intimidate small developers with their size, and being the "only game in town".

The only way to level the playing field is for Apple to allow 3rd party App installation on iOS devices.

However, I will reveal a secret that NOW is worth sharing due to the DOJ anti-trust announcement:

Apple threatens developers about going to the press with complaints. Why? Because it's the only 'leverage' small developers have AND... IT WORKS!!!! Why the heck do you think Apple threatens developers against involving the press? Apple essentially is attempting to preemptively disable the most effective weapon developers have.

Here's how it works:
There are at least several media organizations that will develop a story about developer complaints of Apple. This number is growing due to the current SCOTUS case. These organizations will 'develop' a story outlining the issue, then contact Apple "for comment". Apple will respond to the media that they will look into the issue, and to please hold the story until 'someone' from Apple can "look into the issue". That person will indeed look into the complaint and resolve it - then reply to the media that Apple has resolved the issue with the developer. The story never gets printed, and the developer has their issue resolved... Fair enough? But wait, there's more: You would think the developer is now "Black Listed" by Apple and you would be correct - but - the media organization is now an interested 3rd party. If Apple ever retaliates against the developer the media organization has a MUCH BIGGER story to report because they can validate a claim of previous complaints. Why do think threatening the Apple marketing staff worked in my case?

Also, the DOJ does have an anti-trust complaint intake here:

https://www.ftc.gov/faq/competition/report-antitrust-violation

In summary, the time is NOW! The DOJ has Apple on its radar, so NOW is the best time to involve the press, and the DOJ directly.

I'm not a sour grapes case. My strategy against Apple and "Big Tech" is adversarial - and that strategy is working $$ for me. My own apps have survived in the store for as long as they have (+10 years) because I limit their amount of exposure to Apple's idiocy. I've also been able to maintain a reasonable client list based on this strategy. I sell them 'protection'.

Speaking of my own Apps, I've also been able to "weaponize' them against Apple's interests. There have been at least a few VC funded startups that have entered the "space" my apps reside in. When this happens I lower the app prices to tier 1 ($0.99), and watch the VC funded Apps do the "Burn Rate" dance. It's so satisfying when they eventually go out of business. Even more satisfying is when I 'advised' (paid of course) a potential startup seeking VC funding for a start up involving a new App. They developed a good pitch that should have yielded funding, but no VC would even let them present - why? - "off the record" one VC firm told them they weren't considering App startups (no matter how good the ideas were) because 1: Apple's draconian behavior, and 2: having the idea "knocked off" even badly, buy a cheaper competitor. My efforts contributed to the destruction of VC money, and also crushed new ideas that could have been brought to the iOS platform. Again, WINNING!

In summary, the time is NOW! The DOJ has Apple on its radar, so NOW is the best time to involve the press, and the DOJ directly.

I thought as much. You do have a vendetta and wish to see Apple burn, no matter the cost.

And you say it’s to my benefit...

 

[developer13245]

I thought as much. You do have a vendetta and wish to see Apple burn, no matter the cost.

And you say it’s to my benefit...

I only care about people who paid for and use my products. I know I can provide them more for their money if Apple would just get the hell out of my way. But Apple won't do that.

Apple believes developers must first serve Apple before we serve our own customers. Example: Apple forces developers to develop iOS apps using the latest version of macOS by preventing Xcode from installing on the previous version - the only reason for this is so developers "dog food" test the latest version of macOS for free. There is no way an iOS developer can absorb testing macOS for free and not either pass that cost to you, or just go out of business due to insufficient revenue to cover that cost amongst all other costs.

I doubt you know what an iOS dev team costs. Do you think developers like to spend their time testing macOS?

You want Apple to stand in the way of developers, so I have no use for you or your business.

People will generally form negative opinions about others that cause them harm - and also develop strategies to mitigate that harm, including hostile action. This is the world we live in, and that big tech played a large role in creating.

 

[I7guy]

I only care about people who paid for and use my products. I know I can provide them more for their money if Apple would just get the hell out of my way. But Apple won't do that.

Apple believes developers must first serve Apple before we serve our own customers. Example: Apple forces developers to develop iOS apps using the latest version of macOS by preventing Xcode from installing on the previous version - the only reason for this is so developers "dog food" test the latest version of macOS for free. There is no way an iOS developer can absorb testing macOS for free and not either pass that cost to you, or just go out of business due to insufficient revenue to cover that cost amongst all other costs.

I doubt you know what an iOS dev team costs. Do you think developers like to spend their time testing macOS?

You want Apple to stand in the way of developers, so I have no use for you or your business.

People will generally form negative opinions about others that cause them harm - and also develop strategies to mitigate that harm, including hostile action. This is the world we live in, and that big tech played a large role in creating.

Sounds like you want Apple to play by your rules, rather than you playing by apple’s rules.

 

[developer13245]

Sounds like you want Apple to play by your rules, rather than you playing by apple’s rules.

Nope, my point is that rules are irrelevant. All players are hostile. No one sits on a "high horse".

Uber's willful violation of customer privacy was a hostile act. implementing methods to avoid detection is especially egregious - and - a very hostile action directly focused on Apple because it exposes Apple's incompetence.

Apple's handling of Uber's privacy violation was diabolically brilliant, and overtly hostile. Timmy the Crook had no need to invite Uber's CEO for a sit down, but he did. Does anyone believe Timmy dealt out a simple "scolding"? Really? Of course not.

Timmy the Crook had Uber by the "short and curlies", and you better believe Timmy "got something" in return for giving Uber a pass. We'll never know what Timmy got because no one takes notes at a "sit down", but it had to be of great value to either Timmy himself, or Apple.

Tech is the most hostile industry these days, and this is by design.