So you think Apple could toss all of the "free" apps?
Right, but I got my app up there and it doesn't generate a zero revenue stream.
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That’s not what the original CNBC article really says.
CNBC: “Companies such as Spotify or Netflix don’t get special treatment, one reviewer said, with the same App Review process and rules applied to their apps, despite their size.”
That means they follow the same *rules*. But it doesn’t mean major companies don’t get special treatment (a fast lane) to accelerate their review.
To me, any company/store should give special treatment (accelerated reviews & dedicated reps) to major accounts or revenue generator. That’s just good business. If you had a product that made me $100M in revenue, you’d bet I’d give you special access to help or resources... but I might not allow you to break the rules.
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Oh, maybe I actually read the article....
(Beyond that, I didn't make that claim; strawman)Generalized statement. It means nothing. I've had Macs since 2006. Quality control has gone down, IMO and the computer hardware suffers continually from a lack of attention (see how long it took for a new Mac Pro that is then priced out of the farking stratosphere and therefore useless to those of us that would prefer and actual desktop with upgradeable parts rather than an iMac, which I've never liked or a Mac Mini where you can't even change the internal drive anymore.... god the hardware lineup SUCKS now. Throw in the Notarization thing being required in the future and the writing is on the wall. Apple doesn't give a crap about an up-to-date reasonable open computer platform anymore. Some of us find that disappointing as we'll be forced to go back to Microsoft whether we like it or not, but Tim clearly doesn't give a crap.
No, Apple should toss all the paid apps because Apple can't set proper app store policy to make paid apps viable. Paid apps should be distributed directly by developers outside the app store (or even non-Apple 3rd parties - this is called "competition") - this enables such developers to develop their own monetization strategy so they can be a viable business - or not - but then developers will either succeed or fail on their own terms.
Glad to hear your app generates revenue. Good for you. I have no problem with such apps, but you must realize your business model is not like everyone else's. And, Apple harms innovation due to their myopic vision of what an app store "should" be.
Back when the app store opened Steve Jobs said Apple had no idea how to price apps (look it up). What makes Apple (and even Goo, et al.) think they know how future software products will be monetized? Implementing such restrictions today kills future innovation.
And in general, all the current tech "behemoths" are actively shaping a future in a way that only benefits themselves. Sure, companies definitely can and do plan strategies for future growth and success, but these "behemoths" are overreaching beyond what is proper. This overreach causes direct damage to future innovation from "new comers".
I've been in tech for over 30 years and seen a lot of the "not invented here" attitude - this type of attitude usually ended up harming those who thought that way - because it eschewed better ideas. Today, the companies with power not only have a "not invented here" attitude, but can also crush innovation so they never have to compete with better ideas that they can kill.
This is a double edge sword and that is what the pending lawsuit is about (although not specifically about the monetization of paid apps.
I've been in tech now for more than xx years (where xx>30), including startups and I've seen and learned a lot. However, in my view the app store theoretically gives the little guy a chance to compete on equal footing with the big guys. I know personally I wouldn't install an app for an untrusted outside app store and I wonder how many others feel the same way.
Oh, maybe I actually read the article....
Generalized statement. It means nothing. I've had Macs since 2006. Quality control has gone down, IMO and the computer hardware suffers continually from a lack of attention (see how long it took for a new Mac Pro that is then priced out of the farking stratosphere and therefore useless to those of us that would prefer and actual desktop with upgradeable parts rather than an iMac, which I've never liked or a Mac Mini where you can't even change the internal drive anymore.... god the hardware lineup SUCKS now. Throw in the Notarization thing being required in the future and the writing is on the wall. Apple doesn't give a crap about an up-to-date reasonable open computer platform anymore. Some of us find that disappointing as we'll be forced to go back to Microsoft whether we like it or not, but Tim clearly doesn't give a crap.
Went from citing a specific number to a complete strawman. (except for the comment about notarization)
Sorry guy, I don't know WTF you're even talking about at this point. Learn to write in complete sentences some day. Your communication skills are nonexistent.
A few ad-Homs and insults are always welcome to spice up a conversation.Sorry guy, I don't know WTF you're even talking about at this point. Learn to write in complete sentences some day. Your communication skills are nonexistent.
“People on the app review team are paid hourly, have employee badges, and receive healthcare, ”
So...they’re Apple employees.
So...they’re Apple employees.
A few ad-Homs and insults are always welcome to spice up a conversation.
It's not an insult. It's a fact. I literally don't know WTF you were saying. You don't write in full sentences and I have no idea what you're trying to communicate. What I do know is you are wasting my time so I will ignore you from now on.
You do have the decision-making power. You could have chosen Android instead, which has precisely those things you seem to value more highly. You chose Apple, and everything that entails (there's no mystery about the different approaches the two ecosystems take, it's widely documented and constantly talked about here).
It's like you bought an electric car and now you're complaining that you can't fill up at gas stations. You made the choice that got you here. If you want to jump over to Android's way of doing things, go right ahead. But don't try to change the iOS ecosystem into Android. Most of us here chose this path intentionally.
What I do know is most of your post/rant occurs to me is a straw man and I can pick out the sentences that exemplify them. But at this point meh.
Not if you have the app that helps you review apps (assuming that app has passed the review process)
Let me clarify: I've been writing commercial software applications for over 30 years. The software I create is sold as a product. Today this is labeled by Apple as a "paid application". I don't create software that provides a revenue generating service. Please see my earlier post for the differences between these types of software. They are different.
You mentioned above that you only submit free apps with no IAP. Ok, good for you, epically if you earn revenue from the services your software provides. But your experience is then limited to that revenue model and has NO relevance to how other software products are monitored. There are many types of software, and you don't seem to understand or accept this. Instead you force your very limited perspective of software monetization on the entire software industry - of which you have limited experience (even if it is (xx>>30) years ). Basically, you are just "parroting" Apple's bilge.
In your "view the app store theoretically gives the little guy a chance to compete" - there are two things wrong with your statement. 1) it is your view and 2) "theoretically". I gave direct cases above that blow your very limited view of "theory" out of the water.
You also state you wouldn't install an app from an outside app store. Ok, that would be your choice. You could choose to only buy apps from the Apple App store and avoid other sources - but this would be YOUR CHOICE. Breaking Apple's iOS app store monopoly does not force you to stop buying apps from Apple.
Well, all you'll ever get to do is wonder because that is all Apple allows you to do. Apple has you so brainwashed you will never be able to think outside the box they have you locked into. You are convinced that no one can ever create a better app store than Apple. You are so drowned in their flavor aid there is no hope for you. You are completely incapable of answering my point which I will state again:
The "not invented here" attitude ultimately ends up harming those who think that way because it eschews better ideas. Today, the companies with Apple level power not only have a "not invented here" attitude, but can also crush innovation so they never have to compete with those better ideas.
Apple has you brainwashed into such a deep level of ignorance that now you have a reflexive insecure fear that any other app store cannot be trusted. How very sad.
I doubt reality would be so simplistic or straightforward.
Right now, developers make their apps available via the iOS App Store because that’s the only way their app can be sold. This also means that amongst other things, they are forced to comply with the App Store rules which I largely agree with as a consumer.
Yes, these rules may seem draconian and onerous to a developer, and I don’t care. If anything, I feel there is still more that Apple can do to implement anti-developer rules that benefit me as the end user. The recent introduction of Apple-sign-in (and Apple mandating that all developers support this feature) is something you won’t find me griping about.
You are right in that I could in theory still choose to buy my apps via the iOS App Store even if third party stores were made available, but this also assumes that the developer continues to make the app available in the iOS App Store.
What if the developer decides to remove his app from the iOS App Store in order to circumvent the 30% revenue cut, and insist that the app be downloaded from an alternative App Store?
This alternative second App Store would also have less incentive to subject their apps to the same degree of scrutiny as Apple. Apple isn’t perfect, but I can at least trust that the decisions Apple makes are in the best interests of me, the consumer.
Having the iOS App Store as the only place where consumers can purchase and download apps allows for the greatest amount of good to the greatest number of users. Yes, there will be this small group of users who are disadvantaged, and that’s what Android is there for, isn’t it?
My god...that sounds more like a battle cry for Socialism than an endorsement of Apple. Greatest amount of good? You do actually know that Apple's ONLY goal in life is to make money, right? At all costs? That's why they STEAL 30% right off the top of iOS developers. It's racketeering. You're paying for "protection" by Apple since there is no store front (computer database) and there is no alternative (Communism). But it's for the "greatest good" ??? WTF are they teaching in history classes these days??? Instead of the developer making the money, Apple is getting one hell of a big chunk for doing almost nothing.
But it's for your protection! Do like Guido says here and pay for our protection! You wouldn't want your store to suddenly burn down in the middle of the night by some unscrupulous individual, would you?
Well this entire multiple app store issue will be decided in court. We will see what the outcome is in the (probably far-distant) future. As far as Apple "doing almost nothing" it certainly seems like they are doing " more than almost nothing" by providing a virtual store, accounting, testing facilities, etc.My god...that sounds more like a battle cry for Socialism than an endorsement of Apple. Greatest amount of good? You do actually know that Apple's ONLY goal in life is to make money, right? At all costs? That's why they STEAL 30% right off the top of iOS developers. It's racketeering. You're paying for "protection" by Apple since there is no store front (computer database) and there is no alternative (Communism). But it's for the "greatest good" ??? WTF are they teaching in history classes these days??? Instead of the developer making the money, Apple is getting one hell of a big chunk for doing almost nothing.
But it's for your protection! Do like Guido says here and pay for our protection! You wouldn't want your store to suddenly burn down in the middle of the night by some unscrupulous individual, would you?
The problem is when they're the ONLY store in town, consumers have little choice but to use them. You can argue someone can buy another phone, but that's not really the same thing, especially for developers when all the money is on the iPhone for them. There's no reason there couldn't be a middle ground with Apple authorizing stores to sell iOS apps with them being able to do some security monitoring or whatever or even just let the consumer choose and take their chances. I can't imagine being forced to buy games for the Mac from the Mac Store when Steam is such a better deal and has far more interoperability with PC players, etc. on their store. With no competition, Apple can get lazy. How many developers had their apps denied without a clear reason? Trying to get Apple to even reply can be like pulling fingernails. Trying to get them to address/fix something can be even worse (as in years go by and they don't address/fix it).
For example, I'm having trouble with my Mac Mini booting into Mojave right now (oddly Windows 10 boots just fine here on BootCamp) since installing a 2TB SSD in my 2012 Mini and it just refuses to boot (goes into an error loop that when I searched on Google only showed up under Hackintoshes, but then once inawhile it does boot and works fine until I boot again and then it's a crap shoot whether it boots or not while Windows 10 boots every time perfectly). Boot Camp, meanwhile cannot even see the Mac partition to set it as the startup drive (I even have MacDrive installed so yes Windows can read all my Mac drives). Good luck for me getting any help from Apple. I'll probably have to wipe it out and restore from El Capitan backup and hope that fixes whatever it is since it only started doing it after upgrading to Mojave (but I only had the SSD for a short period before upgrading). SMB sharing to KODI doesn't seem reliable (I get random freezes; so far no issues sharing the same drives from Windows 10). Does Apple even look at these problems when I report them? Who knows.... I reported that NFS won't get a sleep token and so the Mac will fall asleep if KODI is accessing a movie from the Mac YEARS ago and they never addressed it. I can't say I'm quite the Apple fan I used to be and don't trust them as far as I can spit since Tim took over. I'm thinking I may be better off just ditching Apple and going back to Windows permanently. A company Apple's size should have a better service department and you shouldn't have to pay to talk to someone. I'm typing from Windows 10 on my Mac Mini right now because I cannot get it to boot into Mojave (CMD-V shows it stuck in some kind of reset cycle trying to reboot the Mach kernel after a few seconds. The recovery partition boots. Windows 10 boots. WTF won't Mojave boot? Who knows. Apple just isn't reliable like it used to be).
My god...that sounds more like a battle cry for Socialism than an endorsement of Apple. Greatest amount of good? You do actually know that Apple's ONLY goal in life is to make money, right? At all costs? That's why they STEAL 30% right off the top of iOS developers. It's racketeering. You're paying for "protection" by Apple since there is no store front (computer database) and there is no alternative (Communism). But it's for the "greatest good" ??? WTF are they teaching in history classes these days??? Instead of the developer making the money, Apple is getting one hell of a big chunk for doing almost nothing.
But it's for your protection! Do like Guido says here and pay for our protection! You wouldn't want your store to suddenly burn down in the middle of the night by some unscrupulous individual, would you?
Of course it is the objective of any company to make as much money as you can. Thing is, the areas Apple is focusing on so happens to be in line with what I appreciate as a consumer.
Let me put it this way. My garden is not walled, it’s well protected, nourished, watered & kept in blossom by the best gardeners in the world. If there’s a weed, they wack it. If there’s a bad bug, they squash it. Everytime I walk in my garden I’m in awe of its palette & synchronicity.
I’ve seen the neighbours garden, and I am far less impressed. Sure there are way more flowers in the garden, but its formation is a mess & the lack of a fence just allows any dog to piss in it, weed to penetrate it & makes it harder to maintain.
As a consumer, why wouldn’t I support Apple taking the time and effort to vet these apps to create a safer marketplace for me? This is precisely why iOS apps tend to more polished than their android counterparts.
And since the iOS App Store is largely supply-driven, my app is not going to be any cheaper even without the 30% cut. So as a consumer, there really isn’t much downside, save for not being able to access certain apps like emulators or torrent clients but I find that tradeoff negligible.
And I disagree that Apple is getting free money for doing nothing. Look at the android side, and I think even the blindest of fools cannot deny the commendable job Apple has done keeping their walled garden as well-tended as it is.
This isn’t socialism. This is simply wanting a better user experience.
Right and we will see what the courts decide. (Can’t comment on Mac issues)